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The state of the discourse.

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Do people think Hamas wouldn't hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren't a concern
- Do people think that there can't be two bad guys in a story? This isn't a good vs evil fight.
  
  "Good guys" are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures
  
  Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story?
  You're not going to like the answer...
  
  It truly is a wonder some can't think that far
  
  Really disappoints me.
  In some ways, this might reflect the futility of multi party systems. At the end of the day, coalitions of multiple groups are still split into two camps of government and opposition. We have to stop seeing every conflict as us vs them.
  
  This is a war between two terrorist organizations, one of them is funded by the United States.
  We are funding terrorism. Your tax dollars are going to infant murder.
  
  Same as it ever was
- So, that justifies killing civilians?
  
  no, that justifies invading a hospital
  
  Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff
  That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point.
  
  Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians?
  
  you think it through. what is the alternative?
  
  You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form
  
  are you seeing things again?
  
  Prove that you didn't edit your comment
  
  that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it.
  
  Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice.
  
  That's literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places
- I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn't hide inside your house?
  
  Do you consider that a good rebuttal. Truly a childish mind. Of course you can't comprehend complex situations
  
  "Oh yeah? Well you're a dumb kid who can't think smart thoughts"
  Fucking gotem
  
  Proving me right. Ouch
- Hamas and Hezbollah are not the public of Palestine. So it raises the question if anybody cares. Netanyahu has made it clear to the rest of us he does not.
  
  They look just like the public and fighting from where the public lives. What is Israel to do? Just accept getting massacred.
  
  Does getting massacred justify massacring tenfold? I'm pretty sure the United States emmisaries had this very conversation with the state of Israel.
  The thing is, Hamas and Hesbollah see provoking Israel to disproportionate reprisal as a worthwhile gambit. They know Netanyahu is glad to enact genocide justified by retaliation to terror. But now the world will get to watch the horrors of war under Israeli jackboots. And it will be ugly, and the world may have opinions about the Israeli state doing ugly things. The general opinion from the international community is changing. Along with the US' unconditional support of a regional bully.
  There are better ways. But Israeli state has rejected all alternatives, and is glad to throw stormtroopers into the mix.
  And yes, the people of Israel, by a significant majority don't want an overkill response. They want a path towards peace. But the far right does like us vs. them dynamics to consolidate power. It's the same playbook Trump uses.
  I'm not an expert. I don't know how to fix this, but the experts were shown the door, so here we are. 👀
  
  Well that's war when you have superior firepower you're gonna get more kills.
  
  When Israel massacres civilians and massacres disproportionately, it then loses the peace. It also reveals its administration is too immature to deserve international support. The indiscriminate brutality of the IDF will reflect both on the the legitimacy of Israel and its allies, hence the conditions now added to US materiel support.
  I'm very glad you don't have any responsibility in this or any state affair.
- ok but if they're hiding in a hospital you dont need to bomb it? or do anything to it? hiding is not hurting anyone.
  
  For conflicts like this leadership that is planning attacks or otherwise leading forces that are doing attacking, simply existing anywhere outside a prison cell is threatening. Hamas leadership knows that, they're the ones putting hostpitals at risk by being there.
  
  right, but my point is, however inconvenient it is, we always have a choice not to bomb hospitals. People take human shields, you don't have to shoot through the human shields.
  Do I have all the answers? No, but people go to school for war. Surely this has come up before at some point in the last 20,000 years?
  
  You certainly should do your best to not shoot through human shields, agreed. But can it still sometimes be better to shoot through human shields if that's what it takes to get very dangerous people vs letting them escape and threaten again later? I don't know, it's a hard question.
  
  hiding is not hurting anyone.
  The assholes in the hospital are still shooting at the assholes outside the hospital. Though I still agree the assholes outside shouldn't be bombing it just to get at the assholes inside.
  
  we saw this in Bosnia and Rwanda, too. This is similar to Bosnia/Serbia/Yugoslavia in a lot of way (especially the siege of Saraievo).
  
  Depends. Are they artillery spotters. Are they leadership trying to claim to be in a safe you can't tag me zone. Did they just momentarily hide their guns too. Ya gotta secure that shit one way or another otherwise you'll get another massacre.
  There are no good answers

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