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Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

www.thedailybeast.com Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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It will take a bit to pull it from the 1948 archive but Raphael Lemkin used it because it was a loaded word to mean killing millions of people.
The actual UN definition added any transfer of children from one ethnic group to another in the last week of negotiations in 1948. Even by that definition it doesn't meet the UN term with what is happening in Gaza.
- So to clarify, you agree that Israel is violating the Geneva Convention?
  Your issue is just that the Genocide section is called that?
  If all this is really that pedantic and you understand that human rights abuses are bad, and Israel is committing human rights abuses, I guess I'll take what I can get.
  But it seems like you're defending the acts Israel are committing on the basis that the section of the genocide section of the Geneva Convention is more in depth than just saying "don't exterminate every single person in a group".
  Because by that logic, there wasn't a genocide in North America for over a century against the indigenous people...
  Even by that definition it doesn’t meet the UN term with what is happening in Gaza.
  Your still ignoring the majority of what the Geneva Convention says...
  I've linked it multiple times, and even quoted it once so you don't have to click the link...
  https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
  Specifically
  Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  And
  Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  But the link really goes into specifics that you should know, just read the link.
  
  Because by that logic, there wasn’t a genocide in North America for over a century against the indigenous people
  I don't agree there was a genocide against the waring tribes of the Southeastern United States. The results of the Indian Removal Act wasn't a genocide but a forced migration after the War of 1812 due to to the local tribes joining the British and slaughtering civilians. If you read the Act you will see it was a direct response to the actions the tribes took against civilians.
  The Souix Nation on the otherhand saw their children taken from them and placed in religious boarding schools, that would qualify.
  
  Dude.... Ummm no. Just stop. There are less than 1% of the Native Americans left. We genocided those people. We killed them and took their land repeatedly. We forced them onto "worthless" land, and destroyed and outlawed their cultures. WE HANDED THEM POLIO AND CHOLERA INFECTED BLANKETS. Stop trying to whitewash fucking everything.
  Also I don't give a fuck what a language that is DEAD has to say about a modern definition of an English word. You don't understand how language works.
  
  There are 9.7 million Native Americans making up 2.9% of the total American population today. That is up from 313,000 prior to the Indian Wars. (105,000 lived east of the Mississippi, 128,000 west of the Mississippi to the Rockies, and 80,000 on the west coast.)
  The Indian Removal Act migrated about 50,000 of the 105,000 to lands west of the Mississippi. The problem was this occurred during a yellow fever outbreak from 1822 to 1880 along the Mississippi and the South leading to a quarter of migrants to die along the route (150,000 white Americans in the same area also died).
  I know it is big with progressive types to expose all the injustice in the world, but actually look at the context. Things are not as black and white as you want them to be.
  
  Down from 60,000,000 in 1492
  
  The rest of the planet lost 2/3 of humans from the same diseases. You can't blame Europeans for that.
  
  No they didn't. They lost population due to the plague. The natives lost some due to the plague, but they lost way more than that due to the other diseases already present in Europe when Magellan and Columbus first landed.
  
  About the same 2/3 of the population died in the new world due to disease.
  
  Bullshit. About 90% of the original population died before the plague even hit Europe. You are trying to revise history, and flat out lying.
  
  WE HANDED THEM POLIO AND CHOLERA INFECTED BLANKETS
  That was a single incident by the British in the French and Indian War and resulted in zero cases of smallpox.
  https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets
  
  It happened several times in the southwest as well. It wasn't just one time. You're being willfully ignorant.
  
  Those are myths.
  
  And now you just entered the realm of Holocaust denial. You're a willful idiot, just a shame so many of you help destroy any chance at a decent future.
  
  He's not wrong. The Smallpox Blanket myth is a closely held belief for which there is no evidence. Here's a good outline of how the story grew and spread over time.
  https://allthatsinteresting.com/smallpox-blankets
  
  I live(d) in the southwest US, and know a lot of natives that would be able to point to sources that I can't, that say otherwise.
  
  The primary disconnect, if you read the link I posted, is that there were other vectors for smallpox deaths.
  Nobody is denying that thousands upon thousands of people died of smallpox, that DEFINITELY happened.
  It just wasn't caused by infected blankets.
  
  The holocaust wasn't a myth, where do you get your information.
  
  You're correct, the Holocaust happened, just like the genocide of the Native Americans happened, that you want to deny happened. Fuck off out of here with your genocidal apologist historical revisionism. I would have called out Woodrow "I literally wrote Southern Revisionism" Wilson, and my grandparent and great grandparents die. Fuck you and your historical revisionism. Also known as "bald-faced lies" if they are told with the knowledge of the history in question. If you are just parroting misinformation, fuck you again, but not as hard. Stop being willfully ignorant.
  
  Wow...
  Can you give a single example of a genocide you acknowledged happened?
  Not as a "gotcha" I'm legitimately still trying to help you understand this, you mod some serious subs and unfortunately genocide is something you should understand in 2023.
  
  Current events in Rohingya I'd classify as genocide. Uyghur falls within the definition of genocide as does Darfur in 2003, Congo in 2002, Zaire in 96 and absolutely Rwanda in 94.
  In the modern day United States the largest genocide is never talked about, the California Genocide against the Chumash. The population of 4,500 was completely enslaved and killed. By 1900 only 200 Chumash were alive (today the population has increased to 5,000).
  
  Current events in Rohingya I’d classify as genocide
  We'll go with the first.
  In August 2017, a deadly crackdown by Myanmar's army on Rohingya Muslims sent hundreds of thousands fleeing across the border into Bangladesh.
  They risked everything to escape by sea or on foot a military offensive which the United Nations later described as a "textbook example of ethnic cleansing".
  In January 2020, the UN's top court ordered the Buddhist-majority country to take measures to protect members of its Rohingya community from genocide.
  But the army in Myanmar (formerly Burma) has said it was fighting Rohingya militants and denies targeting civilians. The country's leader Aung San Suu Kyi, once a human rights icon, has repeatedly denied allegations of genocide.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41566561
  So, Myanmar claimed they were targeting terrorists, but there was lots of civilians deaths which caused noncombatants to flee their homes or risk being killed... Which meets the Geneva Conventions definition of genocide as it's ethnic cleansing.
  To me, that sounds like what's going on in Gaza.
  Can we talk about how you feel these are different?
  I legitimately want to work through this, but I might not be replying as fast as this morning.
  
  First reports are always wrong. I've already said that.
  
  First reports are always wrong
  What does that mean?
  If a woman reports her own rape, it never happened? Because she's the first to report it?
  And why do you think the UN was the first to report?
  They're an international organization of multiple governments. They don't make these reports off hand, the quote talks about things from 2017 in 2020, that's three years later, how is that a "first report"?
  Are you saying you've changed your mind now and Rohingya isn't a genocide?
  
  It means the first report of anything is always wrong. Details, time of events, witnesses, what actually happened is always wrong when first reported. Generally everything you hear in the first report is wrong and you should always wait until details become clear.
  
  But you said that about a 2020 article talking about a genocide that started in 2017...
  Is three years not enough time for details to become clear?
  If that's true, today is 11/6, about a month after 10/7, why do you already have such solid opinions on that?
  
  The first report of it being about terrorism was found to be untrue.
  
  I don't see anything Israel is doing that is a crime at this time. Governments get a lot of leeway when dealing with terrorism and Israel is dealing with the aftermath of a wide scale terrorist attack against civilians.
  
  I don’t see anything Israel is doing that is a crime at this time
  https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians
  “We also strongly condemn Israel’s indiscriminate military attacks against the already exhausted Palestinian people of Gaza, comprising over 2.3 million people, nearly half of whom are children. They have lived under unlawful blockade for 16 years, and already gone through five major brutal wars, which remain unaccounted for,” they said.
  “This amounts to collective punishment,” the UN experts said. “There is no justification for violence that indiscriminately targets innocent civilians, whether by Hamas or Israeli forces. This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime.”
  The experts also expressed concern about reports that journalists and media workers reporting on the conflict had been targeted, with seven Palestinian journalists and media workers reportedly killed in Israeli airstrikes.
  The UN disagrees with you on that too...
  To avoid any confusion:
  This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime.
  Is this another point you disagree with the UN on?
  
  This is a good example of bias. Thanks for the example. A good rule we used in the military is that the first report is always wrong.

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