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You can’t get rid of it, you can only hide it: Microsoft imposes controversial Windows Backup on users

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Like it or not, the Windows Backup app installed in Windows 10 and Windows 11 is here to stay, with Microsoft calling it a "system component" that can't be

You can’t get rid of it, you can only hide it: Microsoft imposes controversial Windows Backup on users::Like it or not, the Windows Backup app installed in Windows 10 and Windows 11 is here to stay, with Microsoft calling it a "system component" that can't be

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As a non windows user, can someone explain to be what all the fuss is about? It sounds like people are grumpy that they’re being shown a feature that they can’t use or don’t want to use, and MS is going to let people hide the UI for that.
What is wrong with this solution? Are people not going to be happy until every spec of the feature’s code is stripped from the OS?
- It's another way of trying to force users into using OneDrive, Microsoft's cloud service, and paying for the privilege. It's not a big deal for the tech savvy, but it's a great way to capture subscriptions from those that are not. Using it also requires a Microsoft account.
- The thing is, if you can't uninstall it, then Windows will repeatedly try to shove the feature into your face, until you enable it again
  
  I got a pop-up that said:
  "Hey we have backup to OneDrive now! Do you want to turn it on?". [Yes/no/don't ask again]
  
  My options were remind me in 1 week, or remind me in 30 days
  
  Can confirm, I get that on my school computers everytime I boot. Even if I click 30 days. There are no never option
  
  Yes, it's worth noting that some companies will do A/B tests, where one user is offered one choice, and another gets a different one. It's possible for the two of you to have had a different experience.
  
  I haven't had any pop-up about this.
  
  What's wrong with having a built-in backup feature?
  
  There's nothing inherently wrong with having a backup software, but Microsoft has a terrible track record with every other "system component" that can push data to MS Cloud about making the software nag-ware to make you cave and buy more Microsoft products just to make the warnings go away, sometimes for an inferior product. See note at OneDrive, Cortana, Edge, and Bing just off the top of my head without doing any research.
  So for me, I have several computers all protected by Synology backup. It goes to an appliance I own and control, not the cloud. This setup can be used to completely restore the entirety of a computer with the exception of firmware even if the main operating system is so fried automatic startup repair doesn't work.
  But, in the past, despite having a 24 hour recovery point with this system (every night it backs up any data that changed since the previous backup, including core OS files), Windows backup would be default still nag me about setting it up. It wouldn't bother to even try to detect a third party backup tool in the same way that Defender does for third party security software. I had to run some specific setup options to make Windows backup go away (and I can't remember since it was some years ago, but it may have involved removing the component). By comparison on my older Mac, when I turned off Time Machine to use Synology backup, I think I got one warning about shutting it down then it didn't say anything else.
  
  I don't keep important data on my PC and a back costs space for no needed reason and why add bloat if you don't need it have it as an option great but forced why (edit also who knows what they are doing with the backup it'll probably be rolled into OneDrive then guess what Microsoft has even easier access to your data)
  
  Windows could do that whether or not it's installed.
  
  But they said they’re going to allow the user to hide it.
  Are people grumpy about burning hard disk space for a feature they don’t use? Every operating system is littered with convenience features that not everyone enables. Why does this feature strike a nerve?
  
  These days Win10 & Win11 only let you temporarily hide things you don't want. The next major update resets the settings, especially if it's for a feature that could potentially earn MS money, like ads in the start menu, cortana in the tray, microsoft account nags and onedrive nags.
- I think you’ll find a number of… specific OS users, let’s call them, who will tout that they can uninstall anything from their OS without complaint or warning. Same response as being unable to completely uninstall internet explorer back in the day.
  
  How dare you, its GNU/Specific OS, or how I call it GNU + Specific OS.
  It feels like lemmy is getting preachier by the minute. Its gotten obnoxious. Not 110% of the softwate you use is foss and you drink milk? What kind of monster are you.
- It sounds like people are grumpy that they’re being shown a feature that they can’t use or don’t want to use,
  That's the problem right there. They're trying to sell you a new feature. That's an ad. Ads have no place in an operating system.
  
  When does something become an OS feature and when is it an add-on? Consider the use case. If you need to make a backup or restore data from one, by having this as part of the OS it is always available. It's line having vi installed; it comes with every Linux distro, but a lot of folks use Emacs. It makes sense that this should be a system component.
- Windows bad. Linux good. Now go find a study with content that fits this narrative.

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