Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?

If so, was it polled somewhere?

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I don't mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
- It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block. I went through a couple subreddits of theirs, found the top posts, blocked everyone with more than 50 upvotes. Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
  
  It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block.
  If you go to our megathread, most of the people tagged in the first comment are our most active users.
  idk if there's a tool to mass block them, seems like it would be a pain to go through them all but you do you.
  
  Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
  This statement isn't even internally consistent, are we teenagers or did we peak in middle school?
  
  You peaked in middle school, you’re now a depressed teenager in high school or therabouts.
  Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.
  
  "hexbear is toxic"
  
  Correct!
  
  Do some self-reflection
  
  Civility is when I get to deride anyone who disagrees with me as a child and they are forbidden from saying anything mean in return
  
  As you so excellently demonstrate.
  
  Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.
  Imagine typing the paragraph that came before this, and then going on to write and post this without detecting the irony
  
  Saying humans a lot makes other humans think the human saying humans is a well intentioned and reasonable human that just wants all other humans to be more reasonable and well intentioned humans. Humans.
  
  I make no such posturing, because I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think of me. I’m not dedicating my life’s work to.. making other internet less pleasant for everyone else? Because you can’t possibly be so deluded as to think your actions as a whole are positive?
  Anyways, there’s no chance in hell lil smoothbrain me is going to convince any of you enlightened geniuses of our time to pull your heads out of your collective asses. I’m just annoyed you make the meme machine worse.
  
  I’m not dedicating my life’s work to.. making other internet less pleasant for everyone else?
  You are posting from an instance full of people who have been doing nothing but that since we whitelisted you
  
  Pfft, please cry about it and get your whole cult to fuck off. Would be so much simpler since we can’t block entire instances yet.
  Anyways, your echo chamber works better the more enclosed it is. Win win!
  
  So is it an echo chamber or are we brigaders?
  The only cult behavior I see is from you noxious ass liberals who all speak in the same reddit cadence acting all aggrieved because people are to the left of you and aren't being nice to you
  
  No I’d much rather the sour grapes act than the fascist 101 “I’m going to speak all civil and try to make you appear unreasonable for being so aggressive against me”.
  You don’t get rid of fascists or tankies through tolerance and acceptance after all.
  
  You are the one with a server full of fash
  
  You can actually go to Hexbear communities like mentalhealth or mutual_aid and half the posts are shit like "I need help paying rent" and "I hate my job"
  You're so married to the reactionary idea of "Communists are all just ignorant teenagers" that you can't see the evidence against it when it's right in front of you
  
  No, you’re just the worst kind of communist/socialist: the insufferable type nobody else wants to fucking deal with. Stop giving socialism a bad name.
  
  well intentioned and reasonable human
  Stop LARPing as a Silicon Valley logic machine. It's creepy and cringe.
  
  B R I G A D I N G
  Having other troglodytes upvote you doesn't make you right monkeys, it makes you look transparent.
  
  You just implied !main@hexbear.net was a sub
  
  I must defend it with some old fashion fisticuffs.
  
  You call us toxic and then still call things "subreddits."
  
  What a factual yet utterly meaningless statement.
  
  It's a joke about how reddit sucks and we're mostly here to get away from it, sorry I'm not good at jokes but I like to try :)
- I won't call debunking imperialist propaganda from the west, and dunking on racist and ableist users, "obnoxious".
  Anyways,
  ::: spoiler spoiler
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  Mate. That's not the obnoxious part. Posts like this are the obnoxious part.
  
  dude's trolling. There's no way tankies use that image, that is one of the most cringe things i've ever seen in my life
  
  Have you browsed Hexbear? This ain't trolling. It's very much genuine.
  If it is trolling, then it's just an entire instance posting an inside joke and then pointing and laughing at the people not in-the-know who don't "get it."
  It's not clever.
  
  Not liking ablism and racism is an in-joke?
  This is why ya'll can get fucked, I'm tired of seeing this garbage in my feed.
  
  Yeah, mate. That's the in-joke I'm referring to. [sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y'all need it]
  A reasonable person can infer that's not where my issues stem from.
  All this tells me is that Hexbear folks get their jollies from trying to provoke people with weird stretches.
  "You don't like some of our users?? Wow, you're pro-rascism and ablelist!"
  It's not cute.
  
  You present needing tone indicators as a negative. Why is that?
  
  You present needing tone indicators as a negative.
  I understand that this is bait and definitely not good-faith, but I'll bite anyway.
  Because I know that a lot of Lemmy users are ND, and, being ND myself, I wanted to emphasize the need for my tone to be understood by everyone.
  Didn't realize it could even be viewed as a "negative" until you said something.
  
  Hey thank you for your response!
  It was indeed bait, because I thought you saw being ND as a negative, from the way you phrases your statement. I am glad to hear it was me that misunderstood you.
  I've just seen a few too many use it as a way to demean others.
  
  Ok.
  
  Also: the fact that Hexbear users are making a point to go tone-policing after calling anyone who makes even the slightest criticism against them "racist" and "ableist" should tip y'all off that Hexbear is almost purely a troll instance.
  
  Plenty of criticism is handled without pointing out racist language, because that criticism does not contain racist language.
  Bigotry is boiled into a large amount of our day-to-day verbage, and sometimes we become blind to it. Adding the suffix -tard to words for example has become common, but it is still tied to hurtful and demeaning language.
  Suggesting someone "sucks a dick" is a common insult, but the insult here is the implication that the other person engages in sexual relations with a man, which is presented as a negative. While we do not think of this in the moment, that is still the root of the insult.
  Such language is not tolerated on hexbear, and as a result users have gotten very perceptive of it. Could they be nicer at pointing it out? Certainly, at times it's a fair mistake to make, and at times - such as here - they're much too quick on the draw. However I think the context should be remembered, which is that Hexbear has had to deal with a wealth of wreckers, and as such a lot of users assume that a person that is hostile, negative and also uses language that could be perceived as bigoted and that language is used in a manner to insult (or what can be perceived as something meant to be an insult) then they end up assuming the worst at times. This is most certainly something that Hexbear users could do better at.
  But being frustrated at having it pointed out is silly, just as it is silly to continue using that language after having pointed out it's problematic aspects.
  This stuff is pointed out regardless of a user agreeing or disagreeing with another user - it is in fact unrelated to it.
  
  [sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y'all need it]
  Yeah! Fuck people who need tone indicators, we shouldn't be inclusive to those people
  
  [sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y'all need it]
  You know what it's not cute? Discrimination. In this case, your ableism.
  We call out the ableism and racism of some users of this instance. That's the real reason of your "obnoxious" feeling, regarding the Hexbear users. Our zero tolerance to hate.
  Scrath a liberal, and a fascist/racist bleeds.
  
  Lol what an absolute clusterfuck.
  
  "America bad looool I just debunked imperialist propoganda"
  Is just about the highest IQ take I've seen out of hexbear. Ya'll got that cult-like disconnection from reality.
  Also when there was a user in unixporn yesterday asking what words will replace "ricing" now that it's entered social consciousness that the term has a racially based origin, a hexbear jumped in to say it's now going to be called "crackering".
  Wow, dunked on that racism so hard.
  It was so racist of that user to better themselves and replace a racial work with a non-racial word. Good thing we have hexbear to help out.
  
  Having had a disagreement with you in another thread and seen you mischaracterize it as "supporting the rape of innocent women and children" to someone else, I'm fairly confident that if anyone has a cult-like disconnection from reality, it's likely you.
  
  If someone tells me it's bad to be anti-racism, or that systemic racism isn't real, I'm of course going to say they support racism.
  Your position was that it's bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity. Yeah, you're not going around raping anyone yourself, you simply supporting the system in which it occurs.
  And I don't think supporting the system of rape is intentional on your part either. I think you're anti-America (which is good) to the point that you'll be apologetic towards rape (which is bad), as long as it means you keep being anti-America.
  
  Your position was that it's bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity
  No, actually I was articulating someone else's perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it's a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.
  But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn't seem to be one of your strengths.
  
  No, actually I was articulating someone else's perspective
  Someone else as in a real person?
  Or a hypothetical person you made up in your head?
  
  Does knowing who's perspective it is really change your opinion of it? Or are you asking so you know who you can accuse of being a Russian apologist?
  If it stands up to your scrutiny then I wouldn't think it matters.
  
  I've talked to too many covert Nazis who will say, "Oh, I don't believe that Jews secretly control the world, I'm just here to tell you that some people believe it, and here's the evidence they use."
  Don't argue someone else's position. If you want to talk about disingenuous, that is disingenuous.
  State your own position on the rape of civilians and minors in Ukraine.
  
  I'm personally enraged and disgusted by Russia's invasion and brutalizing of the Ukrainian people, and I'd be happy if this war ended with the death of Putin and his allies.
  But Im not naive enough to believe that's a likely outcome. I think it's far more likely that this war will impoverish Ukraine for the next half-century and create a generation of orphans and refugees that will never know the country that existed before this war.
  I think its ethically abhorrent to cheer on its continuation, and even more, I think it's childish and absurd to think continued US involvement in it would lead to anything beneficial for the Ukrainian people.
  And I think the people who are blinded by their rage are the least qualified to cast judgement on what should be legitimate leftist geopolitical policy. The same people who are play-acting outrage against leftists being too openly violent are the ones seemingly giddy to see Ukraine being tossed near limitless weapons to add to the already half-million dead, over a conflict almost certainly created by US involvement to begin with and which is unlikely to end at all well for Ukraine. You're advocating for the sacrifice of Ukraine for the chance to destroy Russia, and I find that more heartless and disgusting than anything anyone on Hexbear has said so far.
  
  Who is cheering on its continuation?
  Russia can just leave. Walk out. Stop the rape, stop the killing, stop the invasion. Send your soldiers home. Literally nothing would make me happier.
  Then we can stop sending weapons, send them more food instead. Help them rebuild, give them homes and schools to replace the ones bombed out by Russia
  Can we agree then that Russia needs to end the war by leaving Ukraine?
  
  All your problems are the fault of white western libs.
  We are so dunked on.
  🤡

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