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McConnell on Ukraine proxy war: "We haven’t lost a single American in this war. Most of the money that we spend, is spent on replenishing weapons, so it’s actually employing people here."[paraphrased]

edition.cnn.com White House downplays CNN poll showing majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine | CNN Politics

The White House on Wednesday downplayed CNN polling showing most Americans oppose Congress providing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia ahead of a reported administration request for more aid.

Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

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“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.
Does the US have to place nukes in Ukraine so that by removing them russia will stop attacking it?
But by all means, if Trump starts threatening Mexico with some bullshit invasion to clean out the cartels, they should by all means ask China and anyone else to help out, sure! That's how it works in a bipolar world (there is no multipolar world, russia's empire is gone and China+US will make sure it never returns)
NATO is not hostile to russia, NATO prevents russia from invading its western neighbours, which is obviously a bummer to russia.
The sustainable security solution is: russia respects borders and other countries' sovereignty. The end.
- Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.
  Yeah so the obvious conclusion is that peace in Cuba required satisfying the US’s demand to not have a Soviet military presence there.
  Likewise peace in Ukraine requires not having a NATO military presence there.
  Pretending that NATO isn’t hostile to Russia is also simply disconnected from reality. You need to connect your world view to reality.
  
  Also we have been punishing Cuba with an embargo which has crippled their economy ever since just because we can.
  
  Well, the weapons are still in Cuba, thank god :) and Cuba has an air force, which I suppose was given/sold to Cuba by the USSR/China, so maybe the US can also give some F16 to Ukraine. The USSR also sent planes and soviet crews to fight the Americans in Vietnam, so there is precedent for all that.
  NATO is hostile to russia's imperial ambitions and so are all of its neighbours.
  
  What are you talking about? The Cuban missile crisis was resolved by the missiles being removed and the soviet military presence ended in Cuba.
  You’re factually wrong when you seem to say the soviet missiles are still there. They were removed.
  The US’s security interests demanded they were removed from the nearby Cuba, and US missiles that threatened the USSR were removed from Turkey.
  Peace was achieved by withdrawing the military threat from each others borders.
  Likewise peace in Ukraine can only be achieved if Russia doesn’t feel threatened by a NATO presence there.
  It’s easy to understand.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m7MZs-QdrFI
  
  Yes at one point Putin sought to join NATO and the idea didn’t gain traction.
  I don’t understand how you feel this helps your argument.
  
  Yeah, Putin wanted in but NATO said no.... because the purpose of NATO is to subjugate and pillage Russia.
  
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  Well, the weapons are still in Cuba
  Cuba still has weapons at all, but the crisis was over the nuclear missiles, which were removed. It's a very direct comparison here.
- Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.
  You get that in this analogy Ukraine is taking the place of Cuba, right? Like NATO is using Ukraine as a disposable proxy to bleed Russia... okay well the metaphor falls apart because the details are really different, but Cuba was threatening the US in a vaguely similar way to how Ukraine is threatening Russia, and the peace deal was that Cuba would remove all the missiles and in exchange the US would remove it's missiles from Turkey and not massacre the Cuban population. So the equivalent would be Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO (not that NATO was ever going to let them), disarm, and stop trying to wipe out Russian speaking Ukrainians.
  NATO is not hostile to russia
  NATO's explicit purpose is and always have been the destruction of the Russian state and the pillaging of it's resources and it's beyond bad faith to state otherwise.
- NATO is not hostile to russia

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