1y ago

Google Wants To Destroy The Internet...

...with Apple and Microsoft, Mutahar's turn to take a look at "Web Environment Integrity"

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apple might oppose this to some point, they're often not in line with google.
- The best way to oppose this is to use non-chromium browsers like Firefox and take away Google’s source of power: chromium market share
  
  i agree, the problem is, that if google succeeds and (popular/mainstream) websites refuse to let said browsers access the sites, it's an uphill battle in wich we will eventually lose the normie webizens.
  
  And there’s the core problem: the proportion of people on the internet who have no idea what they’re doing has grown by orders of magnitude, and big tech has realized they can just treat and exploit them like cattle, because almost nobody has a full and complete understanding of what’s going on, or how policies driven by big tech like this are catastrophically bad for normal users on the internet.
- Apple only opposes Google when new browser capabilites like PWAs, Bluetooth API, NFC API,... might be a threat to the Appstore monopoly on iOS.
  I think they are very much onboard with this since it you could potentially make live hell for Hackintosh and Jailbreak users.
  
  i wouldn't be so sure about it. apple strongarmed google with jpgxl support and the european union pryed open their eco system, at least for eu citizens. apple currently positioning themselves on the side of privacy advocates would lose this standing (and many customers who switched to iphone because of it). i know, they could sugarcoat this, but i have a little hope left that they will draw a line on at least the most user hostile stuff.
  
  Honestly my hope is still that the EU intervenes, which I consider to be around 50% given they’re a generally a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to regulations.
  When Apple becomes my last hope, I’ll know times are bad. Having said that, it’s one of the parties that may actually oppose. The other big guy that may have some power in this, Microsoft, is probably more likely to adapt this catastrophe of an idea.
  
  Apple already shipped attestation. It's in Safari in both desktop and mobile. Unfortunately. It's just going to take a couple big players to make this a blight everywhere. Netflix implementing this might do it. Google's main sites would work.
  
  the EU can be really schizo when it comes to stuff like that, that's true. i don't trust them. and apple as a last hope ... well, maybe when it comes to big tech. can't think of anything better within the FAANG pantheon.
  
  Apple loves control; the only reason I can think of that would make them oppose Google's Web Integrity proposal is that they don't think it goes far enough.
  
  Or they'll come out with their own and try to be the dominant WEI code.
- Apple already has their own thing for this https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/
  
  welp, i guess it's over.
- I think they already implemented this onto Safari

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