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Or alternatively you can just call them reactionaries, as bad as Russia is they're a drop in the bucket compared to the American capitalist class
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Wait are you suggesting that russia isn't anywhere near as bad as Americans? Cause we're all part of the capitalist class. Every Western nation is...hell pretty much every economy on the planet is capitalist.
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I read in the previous comment "american capitalists". Which is a step up from elsewhere. But yes, also, Russia isn't anywhere near as bad as the formerly united states. Not when averaged over the past decades since WW2. However, at this very moment, Russia is worse - because for once, that other shithole regime has no hot war ongoing. Unless you count their assistance towards the genocide and otjer war crimes committed against the palestinian people. At which point it becomes a tie again in terms of evilness :(
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The former United States? In the same time line that russia has been around, they've done way more than the USA has done. You can't even begin to compare the two. One literally sided with Nazis and has killed millions via famine. The USA has some atrocious imperialism but we're not russia level of murdering.
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One literally sided with Nazis and has killed millions via famine
The other is USSR
The USA has some atrocious imperialism but we’re not russia level of murdering.
How delusional do you have to be to believe that is beyond my comprehension. I guess this is the end result of the american education system.
The US is directly responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths from famine, horrendous working conditions, or just outright war, all around the global south. Heck, it was founded upon genocide of immense proportions (96% of native population eradicated), which was so bad that nazis used it as a blueprint for the holocaust.
Russian war crimes in Ukraine are horrible but are nothing compared to the hell on earth created by your fascist country in just the last two years. Compare the civilian death tool in Gaza vs Ukraine to see for yourself. In absolute terms, your country is the single most evil entity on this planet.
This does not excuse putin and his cronies, I hope to see them all do hard labor in prison for the rest of their miserable existence, together with all american presidents and their accomplices.
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The other is USSR
Yea I forgot how the USSR going away meant that russia which ran the USSR didn't side with the Nazis.
How delusional do you have to be to believe that is beyond my comprehension. I guess this is the end result of the american education system.
Considering your idea of "it wasn't russia" is to ignore everything russia has done in the past. To you, russia has only existed since 1991 apparently.
The US is directly responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths from famine, horrendous working conditions, or just outright war, all around the global south. Heck, it was founded upon genocide of immense proportions (96% of native population eradicated), which was so bad that nazis used it as a blueprint for the holocaust.
The fuck are you on about, the US hasn't been around long enough to pull hundreds of millions of deaths. On top of that you're suggesting that it's murdered over half the population of the global South...
The native Americans bit was %100 fucked up, but let's not forget Russia doing the same/worse...Circassian genocide go read up on it.
Russian war crimes in Ukraine are horrible but are nothing compared to the hell on earth created by your fascist country in just the last two years. Compare the civilian death tool in Gaza vs Ukraine to see for yourself. In absolute terms, your country is the single most evil entity on this planet.
Wait gaza is on us now? If that's the case then...
All of these dictators are on russia....assad is in the list
This does not excuse putin and his cronies, I hope to see them all do hard labor in prison for the rest of their miserable existence, together with all american presidents and their accomplices.
Sounds kinda like you are excusing them...this entire thread has been you excusing them with whataboutism of the USA...and getting your facts all kinds of messed up.
Tankies gonna tank.
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Yea I forgot how the USSR going away meant that russia which ran the USSR didn’t side with the Nazis.
Both the west and USSR made deals with the nazis all the way until the war. Many US capitalists invested or outright donated to the reich.
Once the war began, USSR was the principal country which defeated nazis, look at the numbers of nazi soldiers who fought and died on western vs. eastern front. The US meanwhile sheltered nazi war criminals after the war.
The fuck are you on about, the US hasn’t been around long enough to pull hundreds of millions of deaths
US has been around for almost 250 years, and involved in a genocidal imperialist war (or at least a fascist coup) of some kind for almost that entire time. The hundreds of millions of excess deaths figure is a lower bound.
On top of that you’re suggesting that it’s murdered over half the population of the global South…
Currently, Global South is ~6 billion people (depending on which countries you count in), what are you on about...
Wait gaza is on us now?
Yes, guess who's providing all the cash, weapons, intelligence, diplomatic and military support to the genociders? US is directly responsible for the ongoing genocide, stop sending money&weapons and it ends in a week.
To be honest, Ukraine war is like 30% on US too, they supported outright nazis during Maidan which led to some real discontent in the east, which was abused by Russia to start the war.
All of these dictators are on russia…assad is in the list
Still magnitudes less bad than US shit. Look at the list of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change, except for like 5 countries during WW2 it's mostly fascist dictators being installed.
Sounds kinda like you are excusing them
Re-read all my messages. I am not excusing russia. I am just clarifying that the issues with the US are not due to Russia, they are due to the system of surplus value extraction and imperialism which has been around for its entire existence. Focusing on russia and russian influence will not help you at all, in much the same way as deporting immigrants won't help the MAGAts.
Current russian dictatorship is the shittiest since late-stage stalinism, but trump and republicans were not elected "on behalf of russia", they were elected on behalf of your own billionaires trying to gain influence and extract more profit.
this entire thread has been you excusing them with whataboutism of the USA
This thread is about a meme blaming neocon fascism, the most american thing in existence, on russia.
Your culture is so obsessed with the red scare bullshit that a twisted version of it now percolated into liberal or even progressive circles, which is really convenient for the ruling class. Open your eyes, know your main enemy.
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Do you think there's anything "united" left about that clusterfuck between Canada and Mexico?
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Yea, I do. We're not at a civil war yet and people are waking up to the fascist lies and trying to turn the ship around. Can't exactly say that for russia, which the majority of support the war in Ukraine still.
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Well - from the outside it certainly doesn't look united anymore. And your comparison does not make sense. Russia neither has a civil war ongoing for now, nor are the average citizens discernibly any less or any more brainwashed than in the divided states.
And from a European perspective, both are threatening our continent & freedoms.
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We're still able to call out our politicians and protest without falling out of a window or being meat fodder for an invasion.
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That is no longer true for many people. Just that they don't fall out a window, they get murdered by rabid pedo-criminal supporters, or shot by "police" or deported by ICE. And being meat fodder for invasions has been the fate of many people from low income sectors for decades. Only that the divided states have mostly focused on invading countries who could not fight back.
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Compared to china/russia/NK it's %100 true. I can still protest, and do. Stop acting like the USA has lost everything just because we have a clown show going on.
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes. If you think 100% anything is a thing in state forms, you are very gullible. I am not acting like the divided states shithole regime has anything, I am observing what is happening. Even in Western Europe, protestors suffer from police violence - in the divided states, more often than not, such violence is lethal.
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Don't forget the 16 million ppl dying from USAID being cut
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Yes because pulling aid is the same as a forced famine.
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"Forced famine" lol
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I mean... people are dead and we could have done something about it. It's the same picture to me bc the result is the same: "We're not taking care of each other well."
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One is literally killing people because you hate them. The other is pulling aid you were providing out of caring. Not even the same thing.
Removing the aid is bullshit and needs to be put back in place.
But let's not compare it to a forced famine.
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Lol anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
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Rich coming from someone who's got the mind of a child to think communism is the best thing ever, and it'll work this time. Lol
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"It'll work this time" lol if people like you made the decisions we would have given up on inventing planes, you're a coward and a fool
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Go tankie somewhere else. You're just maga wearing a hammer and sickle. You types think communism will work this time cause you'll be in charge. Bad news champ, you'll be digging ditches.
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