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  • aid is good, but we need to stop dancing around and allow provided arms to be used cross border. or maybe itll take the deaths of another 250000 russian conscripts

    • Aid ukraine people not ukraine government.

    • Unironically the most logical comment here. Aid to Ukraine is good, but we need to commit and go balls deep. No silly half-measure, attack russia where it hurts, especially those annoying-ass bombers and missile/drone factories.

      • What are you an Army general? I kinda would prefer the government not give any more reason for a nuclear strike by Russia. Which is absolutely where we're trending if America starts dropping pretenses and begins directly arming incursions into Russian borders.

        • Russia only understands one language: violence.

          They need to be shown where their place is, and NATO's combined might is more than capable of doing so. Hell, Ukraine with NATO's leftovers is keeping russia at bay.

          If russia wants to go nuclear, so be it. They'll be absolutely eradicated, so they won't strike first.

          • If russia wants to go nuclear, so be it.

            Geez, NATO libs have really gone all in on nuclear armageddon won’t be all that bad actually. I’m sure you think you won’t be sent to the front lines if the US and NATO ends up in a multi front war with Russia, China, India, Brazil, multiple African nations, Cuba, Venezuela, and an ever growing list of other countries.

            Maybe we should just chill out and accept that we live in a multipolar world and work together for common goals instead of fighting pointless wars to enrich the shareholders and prop up capitalism for a few more years before it collapses under its inherent contradictions.

          • Okay armchair army general, I guess we're going to nuclear war against a country on another continent that we've not technically declared war with because of your expert geopolitical analyst.

          • They need to be shown where their place is

            You Americans talk like school bullies lmao.

            • You Americans talk like school bullies lmao.

              As opposed to Russians, who act like school bullies.

              • who act like school bullies.

                Which country has been invading more places? 🤔

                • Don't know, and your question is whataboutism.

                  Russia invades its neighbors and acts surprised when other neighbors want to join NATO!

                  If Russia doesn't want other countries to swing to the west, then all it has to do is stop behaving badly. Easy.

                  Just for interests sake, here's a map of all the countries that Russia has invaded. It's pretty telling really.

                  • Or how about this one? Gee, I wonder why everyone wants to join NATO?

                  • your question is whataboutism.

                    You are the one who did the whataboutism not me. You replied to my comment that highlighted American bully language by saying that Russia acts like a bully.

                    here’s a map of all the countries that Russia has invaded. It’s pretty telling really.

                    Very interesting that most of those are extremely uncharitable and ignore historical context. For example it ignores that Russia is a much older nation that has gone through several forms, Tsarist/Soviet/Republic. You can't blame modern russia for things done by the Tsars for example. Italy, I wonder why they were fighting there? 🤔. France, how far back do you have to reach for that one? Belarus, being a soviet state doesn't count as occupation, you'd have to reach centuries back to make this argument.

                    It’s pretty telling really.

                    It's pretty telling how dishonest you are. Let's be generous and say that you can lump the USSR and modern Russia together. If we compare the behavior of Russia VS US since the formation of the USSR, you don't come out looking good. I don't even support modern Russia, except critically on the specific grounds of protecting Donetsk/Luhensk/Crimea from Ukrainian fascists, and killing nazis is always great of course. But it's incredibly tiring to see American hypocrisy on this subject. As if you don't invade someone every couple years. You only recently pulled out of Afghanistan, you still occupy Iraq, and recently demolished Libya. Shut the fuck up about Ukraine Yankee.

                    • You are the one who did the whataboutism

                      Fair point.

                      not me.

                      Not a fair point.

                      You replied to my comment that highlighted American bully language by saying that Russia acts like a bully.

                      Correct, I did, and russia does act like a bully.

                      If you go back one leval on the thread, the commenter was making the point that "Russia only understands one language: violence." This statement is correct. Don't interpret this as me agreeing with everything that followed, but the reality is that Russia is more than happy to impose its will on it's neighbors (and its citizens for that matter) using violent means, including invasion. This is not OK.

                      You can’t blame modern russia for things done by the Tsars for example.

                      I don't agree. It is evidence that Russia has been invading other countries for a very long time. Cultural norms persist across leadership changes. Russian culture has been one of domination, control and exploitation for centuries, and remains so. Until russia does some cultural introspection it will remain a bully.

                      being a soviet state doesn’t count as occupation

                      Wrong! It absolutely was occupation. So-called soviet states (occupied countries) were not given a choice and did not want to be part of the glorious union. They were invaded and forced to join at gunpoint. Civilians were shot, Russian language was imposed against the wishes of the population, culture was banned, environments were destroyed and resources were extracted. It's no surprise that all of those countries that managed to escape the russian 'sphere of influence' (read sphere of domination) are now more prosperous, free, happy and keen to join NATO to ensure that they never have to be part of the russian 'sphere of influence' again. Again, the solution for russia is to start being a good neighbor. If you aren't a threat, then you won't find your neighbors joining mutual defense organizations to protect themselves from you.

                      It’s pretty telling how dishonest you are.

                      It's pretty telling how quickly you are switching to playing the player rather than the ball. I wonder if you are FSB, GRU, or something else, not that you will ever admit it.

                      you don’t come out looking good

                      Who's this "you" you speak of?

                      I don’t even support modern Russia

                      Lol. That's why you are defending their behavior so vigorously. Sure. Whatever you say.

                      except critically on the specific grounds of protecting Donetsk/Luhensk/Crimea from Ukrainian fascists,

                      The idea that the current russian illegal invasion of Ukraine has anything to do with protecting Donetsk/Luhensk/Crimea and nothing to do with preventing yet another previously invaded country from joining NATO to protect itself from russian aggression is laughable.

                      and killing nazis is always great of course.

                      Is that why russia shot down the plane with Utkin in it? Why'd it take so long to kill that particular Nazi? You know, the one with litteral Nazi tattoos who fought on the side of russia for years. The one who who established a russian backed mercenary company named after Hitler's favorite composer.

                      Can you not see the parallels between the behavior of the actual nazis and russia? Lie, invade, suppress, murder, control, extinguish. I've got some news for you. The ww2 Nazis were bad, but the russian invaders were much worse. Ask anyone who experienced it. And yes, I have asked. The answer I got included a lot of swearing about the russians.

                      Shut the fuck up about Ukraine Yankee.

                      Is this "America invaded Iraq, so that makes it OK for russia to invade Ukraine" or, "stop bringing attention to our attempt to illegally invade a neighboring country". I can't tell.

          • Name on state or nation in the world that isn't rooted in violence and that doesn't have an army

      • They buy these off china where iphones are made.

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