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We can beat Trump together — but there's only one way to do it

www.rawstory.com We can beat Trump together — but there's only one way to do it

The headlines over the past few weeks have been unrelenting. The Trump administration is activating the full power of the federal government against perceived enemies, from liberal groups to elections officials to a former FBI director.Meanwhile, autocratic powers like China and Russia are running i...

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I honestly don't think dei did shit one way or another and was all just a show. That being said I agree. Lets all get behind the constitution including all the bill of rights and argue about the other things once we have enough rights to do so in a civilized manner.
- "We need to get my rights now. Your rights can come after we can argue about them in a civilized manner." Setting aside the moral duplicity of this, it's just not how you build a coalition. For them to fight for your rights, you need to fight for theirs with equal commitment.
  
  So seperation of powers, the bill of rights including speech, assembly, due process, etc. Those are just rights for one person to you? The point is if we can't express views and assemble or get a day in court then everything else is in the toilet. You need to get a clue.
  
  Those are just rights for one person to you?
  These are rights for people who are economically well-off enough to exercise them. You don't, in fact, have the right to due process if you can't afford to miss work to exercise that right, and you don't have the right to speech if your three jobs don't leave you enough time to exercise that right. And you don't have any of these rights if you're being enslaved (and yes, it is slavery) by a for-profit prison. Constitutional political rights on their own are woefully insufficient to address the problems of minorities in America, and as they have repeatedly experienced, "later" more often than not is a synonym for "never." Point being: If you have no answer for systemic discrimination in your program, then yes you're not defending the rights of minorities experiencing that discrimination. The right of a black person to not be killed by the police is as or more important than your right to complain about the government.
  
  This is a ridiculous stretch. This is exactly the path towards finding out what a real lack of rights are. This is the same all or nothing fallacious reasoning I see all the time online. I mean look what you said "If you have no answer for systemic discrimination in your program" now name a program that exists that 100% definitely has nothing that could be called systemic discrimination.
  
  This is exactly the path towards finding out what a real lack of rights are.
  Because the current and ongoing abuses of US minorities aren't real, right? You're really outing yourself here.
  now name a program that exists that 100% definitely has nothing that could be called systemic discrimination.
  There it is, folks, the all or nothing fallacious reasoning.
  
  Yes. That is what im pointing out. Your reasoning cannot be assailed unless we are in a perfect state. You 100% caught the fallacy I was explaining. You resoning is minorities exist and I may not be one so im wrong. Im glad you get it because I will be honest its rare that happens when in an exchange with someone using your arguments.
  
  I have no idea what you're trying to say.
  
  These are rights for people who are economically well-off enough to exercise them. You don’t, in fact, have the right to due process if you can’t afford to miss work to exercise that right, and you don’t have the right to speech if your three jobs don’t leave you enough time to exercise that right.
  Agreed. No war but Class war. Identity Politics is a privileged distraction. A game of oppression olympics always undermining social good.

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