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Trump threatens to shut down US government unless all trans health care is banned

www.thepinknews.com Trump threatens to shut down US government unless all trans health care is banned

The US government's looming shutdown hinges on anti-trans measures after Donald Trump refused to speak to Democrats unless they were passed.

Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.

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Well, sure, but remember that Harris was so terribly transphobic many people just plain didn’t vote at all! Which is obviously the Democrats’ fault for running such a terribly transphobic candidate.
And yes, this option that we have here, this - ban transgender federal funds, make trans people terrorists - was the only other choice available. But that still means it’s the Democrats’ fault because otherwise you’d have to blame people who didn’t do the one most important thing they could to prevent this and obviously we can’t blame them.
Look, we’ll call it even and should we somehow make it to the midterms next year we’ll all decide to protest by not voting again. Then the Democrats will really start paying attention to us! Pretty soon after that, bang-zoom! Workers will seize the means of production and . . do something with chains. Ride bikes maybe? Anyway, sounds fun.
- With coalition building and solidarity like this, I can't imagine how they lost.
  No point in electing dems if they dont fix anything, prosecute crimes against humanity or coups, etc. They haven't shown willingness so far.
  
  The point is that they're less bad than what we have now dipshit
  
  The point is they distract and steal resources from real solutions and perpetuate credibility and permissibility of systems the fascists need if they want to win.
  And also that they're absolute dog shit at winning elections because they're not even trying to do what the people want.
  Notice how you're just attacking the left, people whose votes ypu tjink your masters are entitled to, rather than discussing any actual solution or preventive measure to any of these problems, further cementing a coalition you freely admit the other side sees as dead and buried rather than opposing fascism–by yourselves or with the left?
  
  There were other races on the Democratic primary ballots than just President and VP ticket, ballots that eligible voters could have cast to put better candidates up for election. All those people could have turned in a ballot in the primary and the general to show the campaign runners that they are a winnable vote. And they could still protest the candidates by leaving that office blank. You can opinion poll all you want to get the data to speak your way. But they can't ignore if 1/3 of the primary ballots in a state didn't select a candidate. Not voting at all will never, ever, ever convince incumbents and campaign managers that they need to change. It will only ever convince them that they don't have to care about your issues. So turn in a ballot every time, even if you leave it blank in protest.
  
  but they can't ignore
  Sorry, I'm too old and have an actual memory. Plus I read a history book that one time. This shit doesnt work on me.
  They absolutely can ignore it, but they don't –they actively ratfuck it.
  The fact is rather than energizing the electorate they alienated people so fucking hard the uncommitted people who weren't about 'sending a message' just saw voting as pointless. Right or wrong; most Americans aren't comitted enough to their principles for that. The dems fave us Donald trump. Both times, if you remember the story in 2016. I'm more willing to block you than i am argue this farther, because you cannot at this point–after seeing how the 'blue no matter who' crowd tried to turn on mamdani–support either electoral party in good faith.
  
  Selective quoting is so much fun!! Leaving out the thing I actually said so you can argue with something else instead!! Yee HAw!!
  Sorry, I’m too old and have an actual memory. Plus I read a history book that one time.
  To my knowledge we've never had a primary like I'm talking about (where all those traditionally non-voters decide to show up and leave those selections empty to protest a poor selection of candidates) so you can't remember it not working. Even in 2024 we had just over %4 of primary voters cast a ballot for Uncommitted, and the highest state primary turnout was still under 40%, and as far as I'm aware for the first time in history the nominee stepped down due to their unpopularity. You going to tell me that if we suddenly had 70% primary turnout and fully a third of the ballots an office unselected that both the nominee and their campaign staff would just ignore it?
  Assuming you're a non-voter, you're doing exactly what they want from you: shutting up when it matters so that it's easier for them to stay where they are. Because us arguing on the internet doesn't matter, only the elections do.
  They absolutely can ignore it, but they don’t –they actively ratfuck it.
  How can you say the ratfuck something that's never happened?
  The fact is rather than energizing the electorate they alienated people so fucking hard the uncommitted people who weren’t about ‘sending a message’ just saw voting as pointless.
  They didn't want AOC but the people voted for her and here we are. They didn't want Mamdani but the people did so they voted for him and here we are. Bernie won the Democratic nomination for Senate before running as an Independent. People need to stop waiting for the party to "energize" them with a candidate they want. That will never happen. People need to just fucking show up and tell the party in the primaries, because the actual votes are the only thing that matters.
  I’m more willing to block you than i am argue this farther, because you cannot at this point–after seeing how the ‘blue no matter who’ crowd tried to turn on mamdani–support either electoral party in good faith.
  My dude I'm referencing Mamdani as an example of how we can overcome the party trying to go against us. And I'm not talking about supporting the 'blue no matter who' crowd. I'm talking about the people who say "we have to make the Democracts lose by not voting so they will wake up and give us better candidates' crowd. I'm not telling you or any of them they should have voted for Kamala in the general. I'm saying you and them should turn in a ballot in the primaries because there are multiple offices to select a candidate for, not just the president. That impacts Congress and your state/county/city government. Leave it blank if you don't like any of the candidates, show you care without voting your principles. I support that.
  
  People do not care and the Democratic party is why they don't care.
  And trump is their creature, so fuck them double.
  
  My position is not about supporting the Democratic party. It's about the observation that over 99% of state and federal legislative seats are held by either a Democratic or Republican, and not a single Electoral College vote has been won by a 3rd party presidential candidate since 1968 (even Ross Perot who won just shy of nineteen percent of the public vote). We need change, but the system is too well stacked for 3rd party candidates to be viable in the vast majority of districts. So my belief is that our only real model for getting more progressives is to turn up in unignorable numbers to the primaries (and again, vote your principles, leave it blank if you can't support any of the candidates). Bernie won in Vermont (he won as an Independent after winning the Democratic primary). AOC won in NY. Mamdani won in NY. Omar won in MN. All of them because voters showed up, not because the party decided to run them. Remember, it only took 4% of the primary voters, with only 20-40% turnout, voting "Uncommitted" to get national media coverage contributing to his eventual decision to drop out.
  
  they alienated people so fucking hard
  Did they? Well hey good news - you get trump again then. It's going really well isn't it.
  
  You cannot accept that you fucked up, you failed, and you lost to the dumbest mother fucker in the world because of it.
  And instead of fighting him–instead of trying to fix any if it you just strike left and blame the damn pinko commie scum for all your problems, because its all you know how to do, and all you were ever going to do in power.
  You are an unpleasant person and you are not making the world a better place. Not that you've ever tried.
  
  Goddamn do even hear yourself?
- On the one hand I agree, on the other I'm so angry and tired of either hearing that my issues aren't important enough to do something about (the line told to Millennials during pretty much every election - presidential and otherwise - from Bush onward outside of Biden and Obama on things like housing prices and student loan debt/price of college) or that as a transgender person, we need to let the Republicans do a little genocide and removal of our rights and freedoms as a treat or else the "moderate Republicans" won't vote for the Democratic candidate (are the "moderate Republicans" in the room with us right now?). And then we get blamed for the Dems losing one way or another regardless. Either the Millennials didn't vote hard enough, or our demands of things like affordable housing and protection of minorities' rights were "too radical and lost the Dems the moderate vote."
  I still voted for Harris because it was either the Dems rein in the fascists to some extent at the federal level or the only safe places being Democrat run states, but the Dems absolutely threw us under the bus as a "worthy sacrifice" to court a mythological voting base that hasn't existed in decades - if it ever did at all - and I can't really blame people for being sick and tired of it.
  
  It's a fair point, or number of points, but the voting for Harris part is all anyone could do in that final situation on Election Day.
  
  I agree. I'm just so frustrated with the poor options that we're given that I couldn't help but say something. Especially with the whole sarcastic transphobia remarks I see about the Dems when they are indeed transphobic, or at least more than willing to let trans people die for no reason.

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