Watching the Charlie Kirk video felt good.
I'm not sorry. Seeing someone who spread so much hate and bigotry and weaponized disinformation get his clock cleaned was absolutely fine by me.
I have empathy for lots of people even if we don't always agree, but not for people like Charlie Kirk.
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I have said it before, and I will say it again.
Empathy is a huge strength, lack of it is a huge weakness.
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“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”
Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials
Yep, that is very accurate, an empathic society is a strong society, the empathy patches the cracks that happen when others fail, helping them gives them the opportunity to later help others.
In any logical sense, empathy will win.
Lack of empathy means that you loose all of that, creating a very brittle society.
"All words are made up." - Thor
Empathy: a made up word that apparently most people in this thread dont have.
Seriously, can no one see the irony in hating this sick fuck of a waste of air, and everything he stands for, but then using his views as justification for his death?
You are mocking him for saying empathy isnt real, which ironically shows an absolute lack of empathy and an admission that you agree with him.
Just stop and take a breath.
He was an absolute prick and i am not sad he is gone. But somebody was shot and killed and all you can do is point an laugh.
How can you stand on any moral high ground when there are any other shootings or murders that you want people to mourn.
Empathy does not come without conditions.
Example, Trump is a vile human being, I feel no empathy towards him.
I feel empathy towards the people who, as we say in Sweden, bites the sour apple and interacts with him out of necessity while maintaining their professionalism.
I can even feel empathy toward the first wave MAGA crowd, plenty of them was deceived and fooled into believing their lies, and the weak democrats only acting as a ratchet and not reversing the GOPs decisions when they could have. I feel empathy toward them for having been brainwashed for generations into believing that socialism is bad, that line must go up, but that things can never improve more than marginally.
The US government has failed is people, I have no empathy toward the people perpetuating the status quo
Yeah, sorry i conceeded elsewhere that empathy was not what i meant. I appreciate what you are saying.
I just have 2 points. 1 is that feeling pleasure in watching someone dying gruesomely is concerning.
And 2. Applauding and validating this shooting goes both ways. If you don't oppos3 this then you are opening the doors and saying its ok for anyone to shoot anyone if they have an opinion.
Kirk may have been a complete fake and just peddling propaganda and nonsense. A vile creature but from the rights point of view, thats what left wing equivalents are doing. From their perspective its ok to retaliate.
I think it s3ts a dangerous precedent and people should be careful how they go forward with this.
It's perfectly fine, showing empathy towards people who does not, is an increadible strength.
Depending on the situation, it could even change their views.
However, someone who tries to argue that empathy is bad, a weakness, does deserve to get a taste of what true lack of empathy is.
If I saw Trump or Vance alone on in a forest with a broken bone in the middle of winter, would I help? Yes, but i would be a huge dick about it once I realized who they were.
It's REALLY different, when you're the specific kind of person he spent his life degrading, defaming, and spreading hateful rhetoric about, so that he could harm you. Successfully. They are teaching his garbage in schools. Right now. So that he can train children to hate me. Specifically. My family. My friends and neighbors.
I'm sorry you don't get this, but when the racism, the hate, the violence, the laws being passed to try and make life impossible. when they DIRECTLY and explicitly effect YOU. Not "they came for the communists" but for YOU. it's a very different kind of feeling than when it's just a group you don't give a shit about.
Charlie Kirk didn't hate you. I can tell. Because if he hated you as much as he hated me. and spend as much time as he did talking about how other people needed to hate you as much as he talked about people needing to hate me, you wouldn't be saying this stupid ass shit.
The OP posted that they enjoyed WATCHING him die. If you saw that video and felt joy, then i think there is something wrong.
I feel joy that he is deadm that he is gone. He cant keep spreading his shit everywhere.
I did not enjoy watching him die.
Where is your humanity if you took pleasure in watching that video.
2 things can be true. You can be happy he died but not enjoy watching it.
Thats all i am trying to say.
I already conceeded the empathy thing.
I haven't watched it and don't want to watch it either. I don't need to see someone's neck explode, no matter whose it is. I feel like if I were to watch it, some deep part of myself would never be the same. I'd forever have watched somebody die. And not "watch somebody die" like when I was 12 and we all watched people jump out of 100+ story windows on every news channel (which was disturbing enough.) I mean "watch somebody die" as in seeing their face as the light leaves their eyes. I don't want that in my heart forevermore, even if the person who died was the devil incarnate.
However, I understand why others are watching it with schadenfreude. Humans have been making spectacles of death for quite some time. Public executions used to be community events. It probably feels very cathartic to a lot of people to see someone they consider "evil" be "dealt justice." This particular death may have been especially relieving, since it was apparently a comedically-timed, over-the-top explosion.
I don't personally feel the way others here feel, but I can't judge them for it either. With how few wins we've seen over the past decade, I'm not surprised that this video is as popular as it seems to be.
It's about consistency. This is man who said, in the wake of school shootings, that a few gun deaths every year is a worthy cost for gun rights. This is a man that said empathy was a made up woke term that causes a lot of damage.
Why should anyone have empathy for him being shot at a school? Not caring about those kinds of victims was his entire platform. This is karma, divine poetic justice, and I'm not going to ignore that. He got precisely what he deserved.
Yeah, i guess i was wrong, i guess I'm not talking about empathy. Like morally you are right not not mourn his death, but the prevailing sentiment in the thread is one of taking pleasure in watching that video of him bleeding profusely from the neck.
Frankly, the idea of that not instantly invoking in you a similar torrent of vomit, is alien to me.
I guess it's just so... poignant. The poetic justice of it counteracts any revulsion.