Megathread: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah Valley University Event
Kirk, 31, was shot as he spoke to a crowd at a Turning Point USA event. He leaves behind a wife and two children.
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I find the demands from the far right to have empathy for Kirk so distasteful... I see them dive into their favourite victim role so quickly and all the woe is us and the "See, the left is dangerous" stupid rhetoric.
Kirk himself said that empathy was destroying the world, why do we need to feel empathy for that asshole now?! Like always the right only cares when it affects them...
I'm soooo tired about the nonsense from the far right.
This attack is only going to galvanize the far right, so I sure hope that the shooter turns out to be right wing. If he's left wing, I fear for the lives of many of us. The nazis are trigger happy.
its jokes and harassment when the left gets attacked, shot or assassinated, with not a single cry for decorum, or empathy, or anything good out of the right. Just sarcastic smirks and disgusting comments.
but as soon as a right winger gets shot, Suddenly the country is supposed to join hands in Kumbaya and offer immense empathy and support for the people who spread hate, encourage violence, and do nothing but victimize themselves by stirring up the hate and violencepot with no consideration that it'll be their own faces it blows up in...all while the right wing hate-o-sphere is on full diatribe about blaming it all on the lefts "violent rhetoric and actions"
I've seen a lot of "Fascism comes from the left" comments everywhere today. It makes me wanna thanos snap people out of existence.
Right wing propagandists have been hard at work trying to exploit yesterdays shooting to push the whole leftists/liberals/wokes are violent/fascist/evilbad narratives extra hard.
Probably trying to make the word "fascism" meaningless so once the media actually starts using the correct word (fucking cowards), it will have lost all meaning.
They've done it several times before. And it works every time.
Man babies can't handle a joke. They can't even make one.
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what, youre taking advice from charlie kirk now?
What makes you say that?
Kirk himself said that empathy was destroying the world, why do we need to feel empathy for that asshole now?!
If anyone deserves zero empathy, it's the scumbags arguing against empathy in favor of hatred.
I don't need this creep to teach me that.
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i'm no fan of charlie kirk, but i was always of the opinion that his "don't empathize" was actually a dogwhistle for "be open and explicit about your hatred, it's okay." are you sure that isn't what you're doing?
You know you sound fucking stupid. GJ
oh i see, there's no hatred here, my mistake. i'm so fucking stupid it must just be my stupid lying eyes reading all this hatred thats on me.
Nice victim mentality. You say shitty things you deserve to be called shitty. That's it. Nobody is stopping you.
In that case, yes, for once, I take his advice. He advocated for death for people like me (queer), I won't shed a single tear for him.
You take his advice. Empathy is destroying the world and you abandon it.
abandon all hope ye who enter here
Come on dude, there is no left and right. It's just us. Kirk had opinions that many of us didn't like, that's fine. We can all still muster some empathy for the guy and his family. No one deserves to get get shot for expressing opinions, even bad one opinions.
Fuck you.... "Can't we all just get along?" NO and it was people like Kirk that caused that. He hated people like me and my friends. Why should we on the left offer them the courtesy that they never offer to us?!
Whenever a leftist was a victim of violence they crowed victory and celebrated.
Celebrating the death of anyone is a terrible president. I'm sorry to hear that you have been discriminated against, but again this left/right divide doesn't exist and nothing good will come out of insisting that it does. It's just us, and yes, we all have to figure out how to get along. The alternative is much, much more grim.
Fuck off with your saccharin sweet words where you tell us to that you care that we're just saying we're discriminated against no you don't. You can act like you do but it's all bullshit placation to get people like me to lie down and take it while they put people into literal concentration camps.
Thank you for your well reasoned argument and polite exchange. I wish you well.
I'm sorry what? Fuck off with this bullshit. Kirk and his far right friends are stripping my, and all other queer people's right, hunting down anyone that looks Mexican or speaks Spanish and deporting them, or worse. There are fucking concentration camps being built. There absolutely is a left and right.
Yeah, I would have preferred he learn the error of his ways and change his mind to become a decent person. but either way, he can no longer spread his hate, and I'm not complaining about that.
I wouldn't contextualize it as such, but I will agree with you that the deportations have not been handled well.
Sincerely, I'd like to know what queer rights have been stripped. I don't have my fingers on the pulse of all the various policy changes that have been going on, so I am genuinely curious.
I challenge you to go out and talk to your friends and family. Ask them if they consider themselves left wing or right wing. And then have them define what left wing or right wing means to them. I guarantee you you will not get the same answer twice.
As a trans person, I can't go to the bathroom aligning with my gender in some states, and going to the other bathroom can get my assaulted or worse. Trump made getting a passport with my correct gender marker tricky, if not impossible. Trans minors can't receive any healthcare related to being trans. They have already been talking about repealing the right for same sex marriage. just the other day some right wing lunatic was talking about detaining all trans people and "studying" us, but you that just means torture and killing us. (That last one was some nobody, but it still somehow made news and was posted on Lemmy.)
It's happening right in front of you, open you eyes.
I don't need to talk with my friends and family about their political beliefs, we do that regularly. I know where my friends and family stand. Some of them are not as far left as I am, but everyone I regularly choose to spend time with hates what's happening now.
Interesting, I'll have to do some reading. Thank you for the well worded response.
Fucking liberals.
You act like nothing is happening and you will "study" more on the subject. You are disingenuous at best and probably a fascist apologist at worst.
Sadly, people like you pretend that nothing is happening when you know deep in your heart that Human Beings are being legislated against and dehumanized.
I used to believe liberals were good people now I think they are just as evil as fascists but in an oblivious kind of way.
Wow, you're making all sorts of assumptions here. Are you a troll or a bot?
If you are an actual person, please read more Malcom X, don't just cherry pick the quotes you like. He was a great thinker and had a complex view of the world that changed over time.
Again you speak like you know it all but have no clue just like a pathetic liberal would do. You are the wolf that Malcom X was talking about. Keep supporting fascism.
I know this isn't going to land well with you, but the more I think about the similarities in public perception between Charlie Kirk and Malcome X the more glaring they become.
The views of Malcolm X that has permeated our culture is a caricature of the complexities of that man. Often people ignore the journey and the external factors that shaped his viewpoints and just focus on when he was most radical, completely disregarding everything before and everything after. Especially the latter end of his life when he was, arguably, more worldly and much wiser. Sadly, disappointingly, horrifyingly; I'm seeing a parallel to Charlie Kirk. Not so much that people are focusing on some radical aspect of Kirk's statements, because let's be honest, he was quite moderate. (Side note, if you think Kirk was anything but moderate I have some bad news for you about where the extremes actually are). Rather, it seems like people have turned Kirk into a caricature as well. Focusing in on one random quote or another. It speaks volumes about our discourse when we can't actually discuss ideas and instead default to name calling and assumptions. I get that a lot of people viewed this man as a representation of something truly ugly, but it's not that hard to see he wasn't some racist/nazi/biggot/etc.
Why do we do this to ourselves is perhaps the bigger question. Why do we keep pretending people aren't people and turn them into overly simplistic cartoon villains? When and where did the demonization of Kirk start and how did it permiate a subculture so deeply?
Anyway, obviously the two men were very different people with very different lives, but the inaccurate interpretation of their ideas by the modern zeitgeist are creepily similar and both were cut down well before their time. I also feel quite comfortable saying that both men would be disappointed by how some people choose to remember them. I'm glad that you invoked Malcolm X and I thank you for bringing these similarities to my attention. I hadn't thought about Malcolm X in a while and it was nice to go back and read some more of his writings. All the best ❤️
Best of luck to you friend.
No. He was a stochastic terrorist.
And that is why he deserved what he got. If you can't silence these dangerous types of people by legal means, all that's left is vigilante justice.
There's a reason drug cartels resolve their issues with violence: the legal system doesn't work for them.
I'm sorry, I think I didn't get the memo. Why are we trying to silence people again?
I'm not the state so I'm not bound to free speech amendments.
I see hate speech and I want it silenced - simple as that.
People who abuse the idea of free speech to advocate for robbing others of their basic human rights play a stupid game and may win stupid prizes; even if those prizes aren't dealt out by the state.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'not being bound to free speech'. It's the law of the land and kind of an important one.
I'm curious, in your world view, who decides what is hate speech and what would you do if you disagreed with them?
The first amendment is prohibiting the government from restricting free speech.
I, as an individual, can want to restrict speech of racist assholes as much as I feel the need to.
I am who decides what is hate speech as much as hate preachers decide spewing their bullshit is ok.
Why should I play by different rules?
Interesting. Thanks for the response, I wish you well.
You don't understand what freedom of speech is. You have zero understanding of how anything works apparently. Typical liberal.
I wouldn't classify myself as a liberal, nor do I know what I said to lead you down that path. Either way, I'm here to exchange ideas. What am I misunderstanding about free speech?
What does that mean?
Nevermind, I read the Wikipedia article. I'm inclined to disagree.
I mean, cool... But it's still true. His words and actions were a direct call to arms for countless young people who were looking for direction (and found it in violent fascist rhetoric).
Ok, so your initial claim was 'Stochastic terrorism'. Essentially saying that he was using coded language to hide his calls to violence. Now you're saying his words and actions were direct call to violence? Which case are you trying to make here? If he made direct calls for violence, he should have been arrested and charged with inciting violence. The laws are quite clear on this one.