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Even if Newsome skews transphobic he will be infinitely better than any Republican on the issue. We can beat up Newsome all we want now but if he "wins" the nominee acting like he's the devil incarnate is a really dumb position to take. I would prefer a ton of other people over him but he won't be pushing insane policies like the right is.
- Even if Newsome skews transphobic he will be infinitely better than any Republican on the issue.
  That's what they said about Labor in the UK. Then the UK liberals became even more transphobic than the conservatives.
  
  The UK has a Liberal Democrat Party and a Labour Party as well as the Conservative Party and now Reform (formerly UKIP, Farage is trying to be the smarter, more British Trump).
  It's confusing when you call Labour Liberals, because Labour is strongly in support of free universal healthcare and workers' rights, introduced and regularly raised the minimum wage and is generally pro union. They're considerably to the left of the American Democrats.
  Having said all that, three Prime Minister, Keir Starmer seems to be the most Biden-like Prime Minister we've had.
  
  They’re considerably to the left of the American Democrats.
  How convenient. You've left out the one issue that we're actually talking about, the rights of innocent trans people. On those, Starmer is as bad as any Republican. The UK labor party is one of the most transphobic parties in the western world. And I'm referring to them as liberals as they are, in terms of political alignment, a liberal party. And like most liberal parties, scratch them and a fascist bleeds.
  
  Why are you insisting on calling them liberal, when the policy you're objecting to is so illiberal?
  Words have meanings, and just because you like to call centre left parties that you feel aren't left enough liberal, it doesn't mean the labour party is liberal. They're just not. They're mildy authoritarian centre left and you're criticising them for not being liberal left.
  We have a liberal democratic party in the UK, and it's not called labour.
  I know leftists like to see liberals as the enemy because they're not left wing enough, so because the UK labour party is far too centrist for you, you call them liberals, but it makes no sense because they're not very liberal, and the very thing you're disagreeing with is them being the opposite of liberal!
  If everything you said in the last 24 hours used the word centrist instead of liberal, it would all make sense and it would all be true, I wouldn't be disagreeing with you at all. Think about it.
  You are lib left. Your favourite enemy to criticise is the centrists and you will shit on them all day long before you have three words to say against the conservatives (which you will dismissively do after being called out on it), but for goodness sake stop calling them liberal when you're objecting to their authoritarian policies!
  The UK labor party is one of the most transphobic parties in the western world.
  It seems you have no idea whatsoever about what the conservative party and the reform party are saying on this issue, and you aren't aware that the source of the transphobic policy is our supreme court, (the members of which can be vetoed politically but selection is independent). Yes Labour and Starmer have publicly come out in favour of it, but that makes them auth, not lib.
  Please try harder to get your facts straight.
  You have no idea what I think about the policy because you're too busy insisting on using the wrong word for the labour party. It's weird and counterproductive.
- But he isn't running yet and you still have a chance of not having an asshole like him in eventual primaries.
  Already pretending that he's the best choice now is borderline stupid.

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