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Regarding the “Rust” shooting.

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Why the fuck do they use real weapons on a set and not prop weapons? That's the part I don't understand at all...
- Prop can also mean it's a real gun.
- You usually want them to be shot, at least with blanks. Nowadays you could probably fake that well with CGI, but using blanks is probably easier (and thus cheaper).
  
  On automatica, they have to put partial obstructions inside the barrels to provide enough back-preasure to cycle the weapons without a bullet. That also means they cannot fire a live round.
  Revolvers don't need the same modification to operate with blanks, but after The Crow and this, they really should have it done anyway.
  
  Well, that or have the actors learn this information:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjk3j2bsxVw
  BEFORE filming starts. Make them take a class on it for all I care and don't let them touch real guns if they fail. Simple as. If an actor (or literally anyone) can't even learn Col. Jeff Cooper's Four Rules they don't deserve to touch something they could kill someone with. And this clown should know how fucking easy that should be, not making stupid excuses about job titles precluding you from responsibility of safety precautions.
- Iirc Hexum's gun was loaded with blanks. He held it to his temple not realizing the explosive pressure from the blank was enough to send a piece of his skull through his brain.
  More info from the wiki
  On October 12, 1984, the cast and crew of Cover Up were filming the seventh episode of the series, "Golden Opportunity", on Stage 18 of the 20th Century Fox lot. One of the scenes filmed that day called for Hexum's character to load cartridges into a .44 Magnum handgun, so he was provided with a functional gun and blanks. When the scene did not play as the director wanted it to in the master shot, there was a delay in filming. Hexum became restless and impatient during the delay and began playing around to lighten the mood. He had unloaded all but one (blank) round, spun it, and—simulating Russian roulette—he put the revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger, unaware of the danger.[8]
  The explosive effect of the muzzle blast caused enough blunt force trauma to fracture a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel this into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.[3][9]
  
  A 44 magnum? Did he not know how insanely loud those are even with blanks?
  I might not know jumping in a jet engine will kill me, but the noise is enough to scare me off trying.
  
  No link?
- It might be cheap?
  
  ’Murica, where real guns are cheaper than fake guns.
  
  Being paid for your work, where time spent editing is more expensive than doing it practically.
- If you manufacture a prop gun in such a way that it is indistinguishable from the real thing in how it looks, sounds, and functions, you've just made a real gun. If you're able to do all that and make it a completely safe prop without the capability of killing someone when loaded with real ammunition, you could make bank.
- How would a fake gun make the sounds? Guess you could add in editing afterwards but the cleanest, easiest and most realistic would always be to use a real gun with blanks I would have thought. But I'm not a movie producer, so idk
  Could also be that even if you're able to get similar quality gun shots off a fake gun, it would cost a lot more in production etc
  
  Ah, didn't realize that's what they did. I thought they just fired fake guns (eg something like an airsoft gun with gas blowback or something fancy )and edited the sounds in later.
  From what understand, guns are silly loud. Much louder than they sound in movies.
  But I've never fired or even held one, so what do I know :)
  
  I don't actually know how they do it in movies but from this one example I'm assuming it was industry standard but I could be wrong.
  Other movies might do what you said e.g. airsoft gun or fake gun, with edited sounds later
  I do find it hard to believe the industry standard is to use real guns with blanks but it may be that way. It's a lot simpler, but obviously more dangerous
  And yes guns are very loud, after a gun goes off beside you, you will have a sort of numbing in your ear for a few seconds and you can't hear anything out of it lol
  
  You're right, big loud. If that is what actors are doing they should all be wearing earpro.
  
  Have you ever heard a large firecracker pop? It's very similar.

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