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Its like complaining an accountant uses a calculator
- A calculator produces reproducible results and does not introduce security flaws into your code that you don't care to look for
  
  Then do care to look for? There are PRs, there is a dev that approves changes. It's stupid to resist agentic AIs when they boost productivity by a lot.
  
  Citation that isn't anecdotes please, only actual study I've seen into this was a ~19% drop and even that was flimsy.
  
  19% drop in what?
  
  https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/07/study-finds-ai-tools-made-open-source-software-developers-19-percent-slower/
  
  Uh, idk how they got that number. It goes against the observations of literally everyone in the industry, so maybe it's not the industry that is biased, but the benchmark they did is incorrect?
  Like just several sprints before I've saved my team by generating proto contracts taking backend repo as a context, as backend was busy with other higher important things to unblock us. No AI here means we would be blocked full stop for the entire sprint. And when backend did generate the contract, it was almost identical, and the diff in contracts allowed to identify the issue in the entities they send.
  True, some tasks can be done faster without AI, because you have the context and the amount of code volume is actually fairly low.
  But
  while the "high developer familiarity with the] repositories" aided their very human coding efficiency in these tasks.
  My brother in Christ, in big enterprise project chances that you have some familiarity with the code, well, they are non-zero, but also not that high.
  
  Uh, idk how they got that number. It goes against the observations of literally everyone in the industry,
  Scientific study vs anecdotal data, that's what studies are supposed to be, the formalisation and distillation of data into conclusions based on said data.
  so maybe it’s not the industry that is biased, but the benchmark they did is incorrect?
  Possibly, do you know how that's normally tested ?
  Like just several sprints before I’ve saved my team by generating proto contracts taking backend repo as a context, as backend was busy with other higher important things to unblock us. No AI here means we would be blocked full stop for the entire sprint. And when backend did generate the contract, it was almost identical, and the diff in contracts allowed to identify the issue in the entities they send.
  Anecdote, from a single person.
  I don't doubt that that is your experience, but it's just that, your experience.
  and before you bring out the "but everyone i know all says the same", that's still anecdotal, it's what anecdotal means.
  My brother in Christ, in big enterprise project chances that you have some familiarity with the code, well, they are non-zero, but also not that high.
  I mean, sure ? i'm not sure how that is relevant though.
  As i said, the one study i've seen is somewhat flimsy....
  Do you have literally any other study to backup any claims to the contrary?
  My original comment was in response to :
  It’s stupid to resist agentic AIs when they boost productivity by a lot.
  That might be true, but for it to be applicable the productivity boost needs to be real, and for public claims to be taken seriously, provably real.
  That you, personally, think you are seeing this is great, works for you.
  
  That you, personally, think you are seeing this is great, works for you.
  We have a POC group and everyone I've spoken that tried the tool reports productivity boost. So it's either that everyone is under impression they've boosted their productivity, while they didn't, or everyone actually did boost their productivity. And I find the later to be more likely, because there is no reason for these people to lie.
  
  and before you bring out the “but everyone i know all says the same”, that’s still anecdotal, it’s what anecdotal means.
  "We have a
  <community group>
  and everyone I’ve spoken to that tried the
  <healing crystals>
  reports
  <feeling better>
  "
  Again, i'm not doubting your understanding the experience of you or your acquaintances, i'm saying its anecdotal, a vanishingly small sample size and not necessarily indicative of a general position.

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