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Scratch a anti-harm reductionist and a fascist bleeds

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No politician is owed votes for anything
Every election politicians need to offer things that they will then do when elected in order to attract voters.
When they don't do the things they say they will do, that makes them a liar.
It's amazing how many people fail to understand that when a party loses an election, it's the fault of the party and nobody else.
- When they don’t do the things they say they will do, that makes them a liar.
  There are times when a promise can't be fulfilled. It has become wildly more difficult for Democratic priorities to pass through the legislative process in the last 25 years as Republicans have used more and more obstructive tactics. I think a very good case could be made that Republicans have tilted the table enough to completely block a Democratic agenda even if they took Congress and the Presidency.
  Lisa Murkowski got fucked by her own party literally this week. She negotiated and got legislation passed, only for Trump to basically line item veto it with an executive order.
  And I'm so old I can remember when the Supreme Court struck down the line item veto. How can you possibly get an agenda through when there are no rules but what the Roberts court says there is?
  
  When people promise me things and don't fulfill them i consider that a broken promise.
  I have no sympathy for Dems who take power and then whine that their hands are tied.
  Maybe they should let someone with balls be in power if they want to change things.
  
  What would that look like in real terms?
  
  It would look like a Democrat that tells their rich doners they they are going to be forced to make concessions.
  There has been tens of trillions of dollars funneled to a group of less than 5,000 people over the last 50 years.
  
  I think you're giving Republicans way too much credit. Democrats are completely incapable of unifying on anything important, and that's why they don't get their stuff through. They need better leadership if they're going to get anything done.
  
  What would that look like in real terms?
  
  Basically whatever the Republicans are doing, but on the opposite side of policy. Get candidates that people actually like and push popular policy. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden weren't it, neither was an infrastructure bill or whatever it was Harris pushed for. Get people excited and rally the party around them.
  The best shot dems had recently was Bernie Sanders, but they sandbagged him in favor of Hillary Clinton.
  But no, dems instead prefer infighting.
  
  I largely agree with you. The Democratic party is a disaster. The evergreen tactic of throwing the coalition under the bus in order tack to the middle for some imagined Reagan Democrat vote that doesn't exist is infuriating and the policy that results is dogshit.
  The only part I would argue with is that Old Joe ended up with policy that looked a whole lot more progressive than I thought he ever would. I think he deserves a lot of credit for trying. If he could have defended his policy with the voice of a young modern progressive, people would think much higher of his accomplishments.
  But yea, I agree with you.
- No politician is owed votes for anything
  I'm so glad you think Nazis should murder minorities because Blue Circus didn't 'earn' our lives.
  Thanks.
  It’s amazing how many people fail to understand that when a party loses an election, it’s the fault of the party and nobody else.
  Tell me, who makes the decision on which party wins in a democratic election?
  Is it:
  A. The Sports Performance of Good Team and Bad Team
  OR
  B. The votes of the electorate, who choose who will have access to the levers of power going forward
  ?
  
  Nope. The correct answer is C. The oligarchs who control the media and tell people who to vote for.
  
  Yes, I remember when I last saw a media clip and the oligarchs beamed their brainwashing wave into my head and changed my ballot.
  At some point you have to grapple with the fact that the average person on the fucking street? Their values are abhorrent, and their policy positions are even worse.
  But no, instead of trying to grapple with reality, the preference is overwhelmingly to portray the People(tm) as holy and correct DEEP DOWN if only you BROKE THEIR CHAINS by giving them the special words that no one has fucking found yet.
  Democracy is not a fucking guarantee of good or sensible policy or leaders. All democracy is is a reflection of the will of the people - and a citizenry which does not take its civic duty seriously gives us results like Trump. The oligarchs are thrilled about this and interested in perpetuating it, but the blame lays on voters, who are overwhelmingly the ones with the actual power in the system, but who choose, time and time again, to elect people who tell them things that conform to their preconceptions and prejudices
  
  You're giving people way too much credit. Those of us who dig deep and really think about this are a small minority. Most people vote for whoever their favorite news source tells them to. When those news sources are corporate owned, you end up flipping a coin between two corporate approved candidates.
  It sure doesn't help having people like you acting like voting for a third party is the same as voting for whichever candidate you don't like. You're doing the oligarchs work for them. Harris lost, by a wide margin. She didn't have a chance. Does that mean a vote for Harris was a vote for trump? Do you see how stupid that logic is?
  
  You’re giving people way too much credit. Those of us who dig deep and really think about this are a small minority. Most people vote for whoever their favorite news source tells them to.
  And that is a problem, not a forgivable quirk.
  It sure doesn’t help having people like you acting like voting for a third party is the same as voting for whichever candidate you don’t like. You’re doing the oligarchs work for them.
  I'm doing the oligarchs' work for them by... trying to ensure the LESS pro-oligarch candidate wins, the less pro-oligarch candidate who also has the extremely appealing trait of not being a literal fucking Nazi?
  Harris lost, by a wide margin. She didn’t have a chance.
  What.
  Do you... do you know what Harris lost by?
  Does that mean a vote for Harris was a vote for trump? Do you see how stupid that logic is?
  what.
  The point of pointing out that throwing away your vote was a vote for the fucking Nazi is that in a FPTP system with near-majority support from two candidates, one of them is going to win the election. When September ran around and third-parties were still polling under fucking 1%, THAT was the time to fucking consider maybe voting for the anti-fascist coalition candidate. In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is - and guess who the fucking winner was? The goddamn Nazi.
  
  You seem to think the average American is capable of using reason, has intellectual curiosity, and has morals.
  The average American is literally too dumb to ever do any of that, and screaming into the void doesn't change that.
  Politicians need to notice more than half the country is braindead and checked out and act accordingly.
  
  You seem to think the average American is capable of using reason, has intellectual curiosity, and has morals.
  The average American is literally too dumb to ever do any of that, and screaming into the void doesn’t change that.
  Politicians need to notice more than half the country is braindead and checked out and act accordingly.
  In what ever-loving fucking way are politicians running on the presumption that American voters are using reason, intellectual curiousity, or morals?
  You're asking them to change their strategy to... what they're already operating under.
  
  And that is a problem, not a forgivable quirk.
  And you're outnumbered by these people 100 to 1 and you think you're going to vote harder than them.
  trying to ensure the LESS pro-oligarch candidate wins
  No you're right I'm sure the oligarchs hate it when you vote for one of the two candidates they hand picked for you. Nice primaries by the way.
  Do you... do you know what Harris lost by?
  31 states. 86 electoral votes. That's 16 percent of 538. A wider margin than 4 of the 7 presidents elected this century.
  In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is
  Right, it's electoral quantum superposition. Shroedinger's ballot. Get the fuck out of here. A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Staying home is voting for no one. Stop getting your logic from bumper sticker slogans. It's dumb.
  
  And you’re outnumbered by these people 100 to 1 and you think you’re going to vote harder than them.
  What the fuck are you talking about?
  No you’re right I’m sure the oligarchs hate it when you vote for one of the two candidates they hand picked for you. Nice primaries by the way.
  You mean the primaries where no one of substance ran and Biden, the winner of the 2020 primaries, won effectively by default?
  So glad that military-grade morons like you are out here asspatting letting the more oligarch friendly candidate win as some sort of 4d chess against oligarchy. Putting your own goddamn nuts in a vise and calling it strategy when they pop like grapes.
  31 states. 86 electoral votes.
  Nice dodge. Less than 2% of the vote, genius.
  Right, it’s electoral quantum superposition. Shroedinger’s ballot. Get the fuck out of here.
  Jesus fucking Christ, I'm sorry basic math is equivalent to quantum physics in your limited comprehension.
  
  Nice dodge. Less than 2% of the vote, genius.
  Oh the popular vote matters now? When did they change the constitution?
  Jesus fucking Christ, I'm sorry basic math is equivalent to quantum physics in your limited comprehension.
  I was being generous calling it anything other than mental gymnastics. Statistically, non voters' political slant probably reflects the rest of America and slightly more than half of them would have voted for trump. God, imagine that happened and you had to blame the DNC for running a shitty candidate that nobody liked instead of people who refused to partipate in this electoral circlejerk. That would be horrible for you.
  
  Oh the popular vote matters now? When did they change the constitution?
  Would you like to remind me what causes a state to go for one candidate or another?
  I was being generous calling it anything other than mental gymnastics. Statistically, non voters’ political slant probably reflects the rest of America and slightly more than half of them would have voted for trump.
  Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fucking point, Jesus H. Christ.
  Read what's being said before trying to argue against it.
  
  Would you like to remind me what causes a state to go for one candidate or another?
  Sure.
  The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
  Read what's being said before trying to argue against it.
  You mean this?
  In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is
  I did read it. I don't buy it. In fact I think it's dumb.

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