YSK Doctors of Osteopathy in the US seldom practice Osteopathy
YSK Doctors of Osteopathy in the US seldom practice Osteopathy
TL;DR: Studies show they do the same things as and have the same effects as Medical Doctors.
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I don't understand why an MD would want any association with the pseudoscience that osteopathy is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy
Marketing I guess?-
In the US, the AMA has always artificially limited the supply of MDs. Over the last century osteopathic medical schools basically adopted all the same philosophies of evidence based medicine as “regular” medical schools, maybe with a vestigial course or two on spinal alignment. Both have the same licensing requirements.
At this point, DOs in the US are basically just regular doctors with lower MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs, and indeed, they basically fill the role of providing doctors to less lucrative specialties and regions.
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The main bottleneck in training new doctors (both MD and DO) is that federal funding for medical residency slots have remained mostly unchanged since 1996. Some hospitals have been able to pay for extra slots out of their clinical revenues, but they'll be facing more financial pressures because of the Big Beautiful Bill.
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Can't we just call it Trump's 2025 Budget Bill, instead of pretending it's a plus-sized porn star?
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that's a mouthful
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No clue why you're being upvotes when the very first paragraph of the source you cited contradicts you. DOs are great, and definitely not pseudoscience peddlers
It is distinct from osteopathic medicine, which is a branch of the medical profession in the United States.
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That's not a contradiction, the fact that it is the page you get from searching the term is exactly their point.
Looking at the page
Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, it even seems to point to both having the same origin (1874 USA) and later changing:Osteopathic medicine (as defined and regulated in the United States) emerged historically from the quasi-medical practice of osteopathy, but has become a distinct and proper medical profession.
Be it resolved, that the American Osteopathic Association institute a policy, both officially in our publications and individually on a conversational basis, to use the terms osteopathic medicine in place of the word osteopathy and osteopathic physician and surgeon in place of osteopath; the words osteopathy and osteopath being reserved for historical, sentimental, and informal discussions only
Though also...
DO schools provide an additional 300–500 hours in the study of hands-on manual medicine and the body's musculoskeletal system, which is referred to as osteopathic manipulative medicine (OMM). Osteopathic manipulation is a pseudoscience.
and from the related sources:
Mark Crislip also pointed out that DOs are using less and less osteopathic manipulation in their practice. This is a good thing, and hopefully it will eventually completely fade away. Essentially we need to distinguish between osteopathic medicine, which is mostly equivalent to standard medicine, and osteopathic manipulation, which is pure pseudoscience akin to straight chiropractic.
EDIT: Also it really sucks that things are muddied like this, I have a neck problem and there's a potential solution that uses a precision machine but I have no idea if it's a real procedure or just more quackery. I've asked a few times and got no responses or just downvotes. Though I also don't know if the chiro places near me have it or the needed x-ray capability.
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As far as I can tell, there is nothing in chiropractic practice that is not quackery.
Think about it this way: the basic practice is the idea that you have misalignments causing problems, and that you can manually manipulate the body back into alignment. But then what keeps you from getting unaligned again as soon as you stand up? (Nothing, of course! That's why you have to keep going back!) Take, for example, the common inguinal hernia. You can manually manipulate it so that you're forcing the intestines back through the abdominal wall. And it absolutely relieves the immediate discomfort. But you're not actually fixing anything; you need surgery to stitch the tear up. If you have weak support structures causing a problem, then physical therapy is going to create a permanent solution. If you have a herniated disc that's not healing and causing referred pain, then you need to surgically fix the herniation.
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If its a chiropractic thing then it's quackery. If not do you mind sharing the machine?
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do you mind sharing the machine?
Atlas Orthogonal Percussion Instrument. Basically it pushes the top vertebra back into alignment based on the precise angle needed.
For some background, the cause is I had whiplash many years ago. I also likely have EDS (a potential factor for the low-speed whiplash) so it's possible even if this machine has some basis it might not be a reliable fix for me.
often called just the first 2 words
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Yeah, that's some chiropractic bullshit. With EDS you have a much greater chance of a chiropractor fucking you up and its a neck issue, would be a hard fuck no. There's been repeated studies showing that chiropractor manipulation of the neck has a greater than acceptable chance of death, paralysis, stroke, and arterial dissections.
Order of operations
- PT and massage therapy
- A relevant specialist (you dont mention what issues you actually have) and this may lead to
- surgical intervention
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oce didn’t say they were pseudoscience peddlers, oce questioned why they still have a name unchanged so associated with pseudoscience
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Why do they keep a name referring to a pseudo-science then?
It is as if astrophysicists were using the name Doctor of Astrology and then claiming it is distinct from the astrology pseudoscience. It would be absurd, wouldn't it?
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There is no contradiction. Their question is:
Why do they keep the term 'osteopathy' in the US, when the don't do osteopathy, but real, honest osteopathic medicine which would usually be denominated as orthopaedic?
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I don't understand it as well, they're quacks here in Germany
E: typo
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