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If you want an example, I said trans athletes being in man or women categories is a debate and shouldn’t be allowed by default because of inequalities between the individuals, and true equality can never be reached.
I believe the use of "biological men" trigged them when I said that transgender women were that… when I was talking about scientific stuff to make my point.
Super transphobic, watch out! ☢️ -_-
- man or women categories is a debate and shouldn’t be allowed by default because of inequalities between the individuals, and true equality can never be reached.
  Studies have found the only Olympic events in which trans women might have an advantage over cis women is mid range sprints. There has been no advantage shown in the short or long sprint events nor any other categories.
  If you want to talk about equality in sports the biggest inequality that affects outcomes is money. Athletes with more money poured into them for training and equipment have a significant advantage over other athletes.
  
  Studies did not find that there’s a lack of advantage as well, therefore why use it as a point? What I meant is that there’s place for a debate on this question.
  There has been no advantage shown in the short or long sprint events nor any other categories.
  I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Based on my research I did not find conclusive evidence on this. A sample size inferior to thousands is not sufficient to test anyways.
  Athletes with more money poured into them for training and equipment have a significant advantage over other athletes.
  That’s a well known problem. Sadly, not much we can do to fix it without creating other problems. We’re all unequal on this :(
  
  I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Based on my research I did not find conclusive evidence on this.
  Well based on my research if we stop arguing about trans people in sports and just let people play (because sports don't actually matter) everyone on earth will become billionaires!
  It's easy to say things, I really do not care what some rando on the Internet came up with by "doing their own research" unless they have receipts. That's how we got anti-vaxxers and flat earthers.
  That’s a well known problem. Sadly, not much we can do to fix it without creating other problems
  So we know this is a problem but fixing it isn't important. Trans people in sports we don't know is a problem, trying to "fix" it is creating other problems, so why is that more important to focus on?
  
  I really do not care what some rando on the Internet came up with by "doing their own research" unless they have receipts
  I hope you’re aware this applies to you as well
  I don’t want to take the time to prove you my research and shit. Maybe someone will take the time to do it, and props to them.
  That's how we got anti-vaxxers and flat earthers.
  Blindly repeating the opinion of the majority on a same platform is also a great way to spread misinformation. I’m simply giving my opinion in hopes of creating doubt in people's mind so that they fact check it and get the truth. Most people stating things aren’t giving out the sources like that, and asking for it each time the facts are different is a great way to prevent those people from speaking at all.
  Barely anyone check, so if a thread is full of people saying the same thing, one will assume it’s the truth but it might not be
  So we know this is a problem but fixing it isn't important. Trans people in sports we don't know is a problem, trying to "fix" it is creating other problems, so why is that more important to focus on?
  You’re going off topic here
  
  I don’t want to take the time to prove you my research and shit
  Of course. "I've done my own research and come to a conclusion that contradicts Science. No, I will not share any of it, just trust that I am right and scientists are wrong." You know you are unable to defend your "conclusion" because you have nothing to back it up.
  Barely anyone check, so if a thread is full of people saying the same thing, one will assume it’s the truth but it might not be
  Which is exactly why I'm calling out your claims.
  You’re going off topic here
  No, this is very much on topic. You've claimed that you've received bans for no reason, for simply saying it's important to keep an open mind about banning trans people in sports. It took very little time to reach the obvious conclusion that you don't care about inequality in sports or you'd be concerned about the inequality money provides (you don't), and you don't care about how many other problems trying to fix that would create because trying to fix the issue of trans people in sports (who don't have an outsized advantage) creates significantly more problems, especially to a marginalized group of people (although as always it also overflows into cis people who don't properly fit into the cookie cutter mold).
  You're trying to claim you're Just Asking Questions, but it takes very little time interacting with you for your views to become abundantly clear. You are not nearly as clever or subtle as you think.
  
  conclusion that contradicts Science
  What science? You’ve not given any source to back your claims. Science does NOT say that transgender women athletes and cisgender women athletes are equal.
  you don't care about inequality in sports or you'd be concerned about the inequality money provides
  How the fuck is this related? Rules can be decided easily, but making it so that each person has equal chance to get money is impossible and out of the question anyways. If you want to, then yea it changes the outcome, but we’re not fucking talking about all inequalities that exist else we wouldn’t stop talking. I’m focusing on a specific angle that has a high impact on the subject and that we can actually have an impact on.
  (who don't have an outsized advantage)
  If you want to play this game then sure. Your conclusion contradicts science. If you don’t provide sufficient proof then you’re lying just like me I guess
  You're trying to claim you're Just Asking Questions, but it takes very little time interacting with you for your views to become abundantly clear. You are not nearly as clever or subtle as you think.
  You’re acting like a SJW and a science guy but you’re just pushing your own opinion without providing any proof and just spreading lies like "science says this" when it doesn’t.
  You’re not defending anything but idiocy
  I’m done talking with you. I’ve lost enough time to an hypocritical liar. There’s no crowd and this is going nowhere. We’re just both losing our time.
  
  I’m done talking with you
  Demands sources, makes it clear they won't read any sources...
  
  If you do have, I'll read it, but I'm done talking if you're not coming back with proof
  
  They're not going off topic, they're leading you to water, but you're refusing to drink. Because you're not actually a trans ally, you have your malformed opinions and refuse to change them.
  
  You’re right. Let's do value judgment and not stick to facts. That’s how you get the truth.
  You’re being manichean, proving my point. I’m not either with or against you. I don’t have to agree to everything you believe and not actively fighting for more or different trans rights (if this even falls in this category) does not make me transphobic. You’re delusional.
  
  The thing that made you transphobic was generalizing a group of trans people based on your interactions with individuals.
  
  Isn’t that the same thing that made you give me the transphobic tag? Because you seem to be making your own definition of what’s transphobia
  What’s wrong with saying "people on X instance act like dumbasses" when they prove you right every time? It’s transphobic to point out my own experiences? Thus I guess saying that hexbear is full of genocide denying is discriminatory and same for saying republicans tend to be xenophobic fascists?
  When you get a good enough sample, associating something with a population is not wrong unless something proves it wrong. The likeliness of it being true is high. And even then, when the fuck did I say something about transgenders? When did I accuse them of anything? I’ve said that censorship around this issue is high and most defenders of the cause I’m opening a debate about are super entitled, censor things and flat out lie. If you believe only trangenders support this transgender athletes not being regulated and always being authorized then you’re transphobic according to your own words
  
  You don't seem capable of interacting with me in an intelligently honest way. Either that, or you have a severe mental problem.
- Why would I care about what you said to invite derision? The problem, currently, is your attempted usage of derision to discredit an entire group of marginalized people based on your EXTREMELY LIMITED and STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT experiences.
  Boohoo the trans people in the trans community disagreed with me about trans issues and the trans people called me transphobic because I have controversial opinions that I chose to share.
  Get over it. Honestly, get over yourself. Grow up.
  
  I’m not discrediting a group or marginalized people haha, I’m discrediting a stupid misinformation and censorship reason
  EXTREMELY LIMITED and STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT experiences.
  Surely you’re all professional athletes here. And wtf are you talking about? I’m talking about the studies and researches I’ve done, not things I’ve experienced. You’re just lying.
  Then you proceed to do some mocking because your post was pretty much empty of any thing so might as well continue
  Get over it. Honestly, get over yourself. Grow up.
  I feel you’re the one getting triggered here. This makes it funnier when you see this totally applies to you
  
  🙏😭 here buddy I'll slow it down for you
  "I'm not discrediting a group of marginalized people": yes you are! You came on here and made sweeping statements about the trans communities on lemmy based on your limited interactions. That's what I'm referring to!
  "Surely you're all professional blahblah": stopped listening because!! That's!! Not!! What!! I!! Am!! Arguing!! Man! Reading comprehension, buddy. Your PERSONAL, ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCES WITH INDIVIDUAL TRANS PEOPLE IS EXTREMELY LIMITED AND STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT, AND THEREFORE YOU CANNOT MAKE A SWEEPING JUDGEMENT STATEMENT ABOUT THE ENTIRE GROUP. There ya go, did the big letters help you figure it out?
  Anyway, you seem really interested in continuing this argument (the trans athlete argument I never commented on a single time)! Almost like you have an agenda.
  
  You came on here and made sweeping statements about the trans communities on lemmy based on your limited interactions. That's what I'm referring to!
  Now you’re just hallucinating things. You made this up. I’m not against transgenders at all.
  Well anyways your comment speaks of your insanity by itself so there’s no need to continue further

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