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Lol looks like .ml got a "fresh" recruit!

Still waiting on that CIA paycheck, man when CIA payroll dept finally pays me that back pay is gonna be sweet!

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I'm not a psyop but I am definitely anti-communist. Communism is fuckin' stupid. Capitalism is out of control for sure, but I damn sure prefer it to any form of communism that has ever existed on a nation-state level in the world. Signed, a lemmy dot world user.
- I'll agree on any given real world example of communism that's happened so far, but why do you hate it as a concept?
  
  Community property, community ownership of everything, and the kind of government that is required to enforce non-ownership of everything. Because in my experience when you let the community own something the dumbest bastards in town will just fuck it all up. Community ownership of everything only works when everybody is nice and considerate of others, but in the real world there are fucking idiots everywhere who don't care about the external world and others at all.
  So for communism to work, you'd have to exile all of those idiots to somewhere else. Then you are Hitler 3.0 with mass deportations and camps all over again. There's no good answer to the inherent problems.
  
  Personal property allowable isn't it? I understood that to be distinct from private property. The UK has plenty of council run parks, the NHS etc which are publicly owned without too much trouble.
  
  Part of the definition of communism includes community (government controlled) ownership of everything. You could not own a house or land and the government could tell you that "your" property must be given to someone else at any time.
  This would never work in the USA or really anywhere that values personal freedom. And therein lies the core issue with communism, as it destroys the freedom of individuals in sacrifice to the "greater good" of allegedly equal distribution of resources. In practice, like in China for example, the ranking members of the Party tend to get More Equal distribution of resources like having their own special gardens of organic produce that the common folks never have access to.
  IMO it could only work in small communities of like-minded people, like the hippies and others used to do last century. At the nation-state level it inherently leads to authoritarian oppression of freedom.
  
  From what research I've done since your initial post you don't appear to be correct concerning personal property by most interpretations.
  
  i think your view is valid buy i'd like your opinions on a few things.
  Personally, i'm a fan of social programs as opposed to community ownership. Community ownership might work for small things little libraries, but if you scale it too far out, you'll simply be robbed by the very people you're trying to provide for. And you either have to hitler those people or cult them and i'm sure neither is appealing.
  the reason why i'm fan of social programs is if you're out of a job + sick. In the US, you'd just fucking die physically or finantially. But in another other developed country, you'd be taken care of, more or less. This can be expanded to a bunch of other things. You have a child? Let's give you cupons (specifically) for childcare products. Your boiler sucks ass in efficiency? Let's make a gov pay towards a new one. Too much energy usage? Incentivise using energy off peak instead.
  i love these because they're not forced on people but make a difference for people that do need it. I think these are more socialist than communist ideas, please correct me if i'm wrong.
  _{also sorry for typos, going through withdrawal.}
  
  Yes of course social programs to help those in need are good, and we should have more of them everywhere. Much of Europe has this all figured out and in place already without resorting to communist extremes.
  What we have currently in the USA are programs for food assistance for the needy, medical care through programs like Medicaid (in danger) and state/county operated Health Dept clinics where the poor can get medical care for free or income-based costs. So we are not without help entirely but there is a lot of room for improvement.
  
  What's your criticism of first nations communism?
  
  Honestly, I hadn't considered it and don't know much about it to be fair.
  
  Karl Marx was influenced in his writings on communism by Lewis Henry Morgan, an American who had been studying (badly) the Haudenosaunee. Marx mentions Morgan and the Haudenosaunee as inspirations for his theories. No history of European communism is complete without mentioning indigenous communists, who actually succeeded.

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