7d ago

FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology

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The car bombing outside a California fertility clinic that killed one person and injured four others appears to have been driven by anti-natalist ideology, according to two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the incident.

The suspect, identified by authorities as Guy Edward Bartkus, is believed to have carried out Saturday's explosion, which resulted in his own death.

Investigators are focusing on social media posts made by the suspect, including a 30-minute audio recording, which they say support anti-natalist views. While the posts and the recording are still being verified, officials believe they reflect the ideology behind the bombing. Anti-natalism refers to the belief that no one should have children.

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7d ago

FBI calls California fertility clinic bomb an act of terrorism citing suspect's anti-natalist ideology

www.nbcnews.com /news/us-news/palm-springs-fertility-clinic-bomb-anti-natalism-rcna207543

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This immediately makes me think this is a plot to make "anti-natalism" considered terrorism. Not a single person I know of who is against having kids is radical about it, but oh man are the pro birth weird Christians sure radical about it.
- Don’t want kids? Straight to jail.
  
  Birth quotas incoming
  
  Gay? Straight to jail.
- This is very much my concern as well.
- Having been to the antinatalist subreddit back when I still visited the other place, I can say there were deffo some weird folks in there and that as a matter of statistics I could see one or two being that far gone. This also applied to most of the other anti-thing places there though, ex. Two million subscribers to r/atheism, that's two "one in a million" whackjobs.
  
  The childfree subreddit was pretty toxic, too. Calling people with kids mombies cause they think they're better than them. 🙄
  
  Or calling the kids crotchspawn and wombfruit. Like bruh I get it, y'all ain't having kids, fair play, but there's no need for the weird slur nonsense.
  
  Tbf crotchspawn has been around for many years. Patton Oswald used it in a stand up about a decade ago.
  
  I call my kids crotch goblins to other adults often. One of them is basically a goblin at this point so it's funny to me and my wife. People need to stop treating parenthood as sacred. Kids are adults in training and it's OK to joke about them a bit.
  
  Please tell me the "goblin" is a Louise from Bob's burgers type.
  
  So much worse unfortunately. More the type of i now understand why PURPLE is a thing. I don't really have a temper anymore, but i still had to just leave the room several times over the 2 years of continuous crying. This kid would've broken any experienced parent. It was bad enough that she broke our nanny and now daycare.
  She is cute as shit though. Extremely stubborn and tough as nails. I may have Stockholm syndrome, but I like her now.
  
  They are pretty funny, though.
  
  Not producing more children when so many are abandoned and the planet is dying is morally superior to people who create extra lives in the same situation.
  
  My wife and I have decided we don't want kids. We're telling them tonight. Badum-tish.
  
  I saw a comment like this years ago. Its why I called it that the child free movement would create radical idiots like in the article. Radical idiots usually require an assumption of moral superiority.
  
  Radical idiots who commit suicide?
  I'm sorry but you get 0 hate from me when society makes you snap but you still care enough not to actually hurt others
  Maybe get mad about mass shooters instead of who FOX tells you to?
  
  Wut? Suicide doesn't exclude radical idiots, probably more inclusive.
  I'm not saying being child free is a bad thing. The problem with the movement is it overlaps with the same group that co-opted the incel movement. Involuntary celibacy started as a support group that slowly morphed into a hate group. Child free has very similar vibes to early incel behavior imo.
  
  There's no problem with the movement
  The problem is with you and the propaganda you internalized.
  Trying to link antinatalism and incels is some seriously pathetic mental gymnastics
  
  Im one of the people that broke free of the propaganda you're assuming consumes me. Was raised on fox News and educated myself out of it.
  There is no problem with the child free movement or whatever you want to call it. Its not you that is the problem.
  The person who founded the incel movement is a trans women who is pissed it was co-opted. You are swallowing propaganda that child free is immune to this shit.
  
  None of what you have said has shown you have broken free from that propaganda. Considering you're still pushing it.
  
  I watched the community start 14 years ago when i was a part of it on reddit. Its falling apart, just like the incel movement.
  The common theme between the two is hating women if you are wondering.
  
  For clarity, I have 2 kids now. I've seen both sides of this world.
  
  I reckon that any group of two or more people that gravitate around an ideology is probably gonna have at least one weirdo in it.
  
  One might be weirder then the other but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're a full on weirdo. I think a group has to get to 10-20 before we get someone close the edges on that bell curve.
  
  That's kind of where I'm at, I see bad people in every single camp. Every single one. It's no big deal, that's human nature, but we can't gatekeep radicals out of any camp. I see some pretty radical people on here, wishing death on people & such.
  Not everything that happens has to be a massive conspiracy; something like this was bound to happen sooner or later. All kinds of people get really riled up over IVF.
  
  Bruh for real. I thought I was a lefty but that chapotrap c/ is legit celebrating Joe Biden's recent cancer diagnosis. Like I wasn't a huge fan of his, but the level of vitriol they are exuding is damn near sickening.

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