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  • As opposed to pretty much every meme out there where you just type some text in the template? I've never seen a single person make this sort of critique of regular memes. But apparently if AI is used to make a meme now we have to have this discussion of how much sweat and blood was put into it.

    • You're choosing to misinterpret what I said entirely, I did not say that every human made meme is high effort.

      But for a human artist to make an equivalent piece of artwork to what you've produced with A.I here, that takes a lot more time and effort, which by itself makes it funnier due to the absurd and amusing meta narrative of someone painstakingly recreating Samuel L Jackson's image by hand just for a joke.

      And I can tell you with certainty that when people make memes that obviously have more effort put into them, it does go noticed and it does add to the humor. Humor is subjective, sure, but there is a reason why "High quality Shitpost" as a term exists. Don't act like this is only something new being used to stigmatize A.I.

      I know I can't convince you, but I do hope you at least ponder over the idea.

      • What I actually said was that nobody has ever complained that memes take little effort to make, so I don't understand your argument regarding AI generated memes given that. Are you complaining that the AI produced meme looks too good for the amount of effort that went into it, what is exactly the problem here?

        I genuinely don't understand the point you're making beyond the fact that you appear to think that something has to be hard to make in order to look good, and if it was easy to make that cheapens it in some way.

        • My main contention is that AI art looks bad. I can walk you through why it looks bad if you want. But if you’re more concerned about making quick, bad-looking art for agiprop then I’m not gonna change your mind. And that’s fine.

          And listen, I’m calling it bad art because these images are bad art. Art, especially produced in a specific style like the meme you posted, actually does have to follow some rules. If it doesn’t, or doesn’t circumvent those rules in a way that communicates intentionality, then it’s just not that good. Calling these images bad art isn't a critique of you as a person. It’s a critique of the quality of art you’ve presented.

          I’m going to kindly ask you to treat the quality of AI art with seriousness and not use the excuses like “it’s just a meme.” I come at this issue with the perspective of not only being an artist but an art educator as well. I don’t mean to presume, but from reading your comments on the matter I don’t get the impression that you’ve spoken to that many artists about their perspective on AI art. I’d be happy to discuss it with you though! Honestly I think a more art education would only serve to elevate your posts.

          • I don't think this meme is art at all. I think it's a funny meme, and most people got a chuckle out of seeing it. I have spoken to artists on their perspective actually, and I practice photography myself which is a form of art. I think I understand the arguments people make quite well. The core of the critique people make has little to do with art when you get down to it.

            • I think it’s a funny idea for a meme. Just wish it was better executed.

              I don’t think this meme is art at all.

              That’s an interesting perspective. It does, again, seem like you’re using this thought as an excuse to not engage in critique of these images, from an artistic perspective at least. I would think a photographer would understand the value of critique. But I’m not going to litigate what is art in your eyes.

              • In what way do you wish it was better executed? I would bet money that you would not even think of writing this critique if it was the same concept very poorly drawn by a human. I have never seen an artist critique a meme before on these grounds. The only reason you're making your argument is because the image was not hand drawn.

                It does, again, seem like you’re using this thought as an excuse to not engage in critique of these images, from an artistic perspective at least.

                Everything doesn't need to be high art. As you admit, the concept is funny, and it's clear people get a chuckle out of it. That's literally all this is, there's no more depth to it. Somebody had a funny idea in their head and they fleshed it out using gen AI, then shared it and brightened other people's day. As a photographer I do understand value of critique, but more importantly I also understand what needs to be critiqued.

                You set up this false premise that we have to treat this as art and critique it, and that's simply not the case. What you're doing here is basically just telling people to stop having fun. It's just gatekeeping.

                • Hey if you don’t want to be critiqued for things you share then don’t share them. But I wouldn’t be much of an art educator if I didn’t push people to make better art. Critique is for that. I get that you view this as a simple meme, but it is emulating a specific artistic style, so I’m judging it by that criteria. You don’t have to be an art critic or trained professional to learn critique.

                  I can give you a run down of why these images aren’t well executed. From the anatomy and perspective irregularities to the composition of the figures. All of that is what I’d do to a human made work anyway. Do you want me to comb through each image in that way? Maybe by doing so it can help you identify changes you can make to elevate the next AI assisted meme you create.

                  • I mean you can critique anything you like. If you think a meme is worthy of your time to critique it, which you haven't actually done by the way, then by all means be my guest.

                    I've explained to you that I see this as a throw away joke that doesn't warrant the time to examine deeply. If you think this is something you need to spend your time analyzing and critiquing, by all means go ahead and do so. Maybe you can even contrast it with such masterpieces of meme art as this

                    Do you want me to comb through each image in that way?

                    What I asked you is why you feel the need to comb through this particular set of images. Have you felt the need to do that with memes such as the one above, if not then why? What specifically caused you to have such a profound reaction to the AI generated meme?

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