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Somehow China doing the exact same business is mutually beneficial trade to uplift them both and Finland doing that business is imperialistic exploitation. Come on now friend.
- As I said earlier, they are not doing the exact same business. Feel free to go back earlier in the thread!
  
  You claimed so and your point was that China is just built different (but the actions are actually same). That's what makes this amusing.
  
  My point has never been that their actions are the same. You boiled down complex relations to simple "trade," when the complexities and directions make it entirely different in outcome. That's like saying a surgeon and a knife-murderer are the same, because they both cut people.
  
  I'm just saying since both do the same actions with the same effect on the country, it doesn't make much difference to the country in question. So I would judge them the same. But I think there might be a bit of an ideological bent at play here.
  
  They don't do the same actions, and they don't have the same effect. I already explained some of the complexities back here. I'm sure there is an ideological bent at play trying to make you see Finland's documented Imperialism in a way that surely can't be any worse than a non-Western country.
  Again, Finland's consumption is largely the labor of the Global South, and as such has played a role in depressing wages. China's consumption is largely its own labor, and since it needs to export commodities, it focuses on improving wages in the Global South and takes a multilateral approach, as its most profitable for them to raise up more customers.
  
  Your mentioned differences are more due to the size difference between Finland and China than anything else, but Finnish companies have been involved in infrastructure projects too.
  I'm sure there is an ideological bent at play trying to make you see Finland's documented Imperialism
  Hah indeed.
  Again, Finland's consumption is largely the labor of the Global South, and as such has played a role in depressing wages. China's consumption is largely its own labor, and since it needs to export commodities, it focuses on improving wages in the Global South and takes a multilateral approach, as its most profitable for them to raise up more customers.
  Finland (Finnish companies) is buying resources, involved in infrastructure projects, building factories, buying stuff they export. It's just the same sort of business China does. China is just a much bigger player with a much more pronounced effect.
  
  Read the sources I linked. There is both a quantitative and qualitative difference, and its driven by the fact that Finland deals with the Global South as an employer exploits an employee, and China deals with the Global South as a store selling to customers. Finnish people as a whole live similar to landlords, off the backs of others, while China lives off of its own labor and needs customers to sell to.
  
  China also works as an employer, though they sometimes also bring their own workers for resource extraction which imo seems more exploitative tbh. Not sure China is doing imperialism when they are an employer if that's what imperialism is.
  
  For seemingly the dozenth time, I am asking you to read the sources. If you aren't going to accept my explanations, then look at the sources.
  Fundamentally, the manner in which China approaches trade is focused on multilateralism, not on relying on using an overseas workforce in order to export the largest misery and only keep the more privledged forms of labor domestically as Finland, and the rest of the West, does.
  If you want to learn more about Imperialism specifically, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism is an excellent work, and the underlying analysis of structures has continued to this day. Michael Hudson's Super-Imperialism is US-focused, but continues that frame of analysis to the modern day.
  
  I am looking at the sources but I am not seeing the exact difference. If a Chinese company and a Finnish company are both buying manufacturing, somehow one of them is imperialistic and the other isn't. It's just a very hard concept to understand. You'd think for the country at the other end and escpially on people level only the company that is paying the wages changes.

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