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Well, I mean, you've shown that you aren't interested in winning elections. And obviously, you understand at this point, the discussion is never really intended to work on you, in terms of rhetoric, so much as it is to put your deep, deep cynicism on display.
You don't want to win elections. Its not what you are into politics for. You've made that clear. You want some one to excuse your failure on. Winning elections isn't the goal of why you think what you think or do what you do. I've been successful in-so-far as making that self-evident, even if I can't convince you to move away from it.
And thats the fundamental difference, right?
I actually want to win elections. Which means I cant' simply play a blame game with people who stood aside, even if I deeply resent them for doing so. If I want to win this game, I have to have empathy and try to understand why those who didn't vote made that decision. I can't blame the board or its pieces. I have to try to understand them.
You talk about self-reflection and growth, but your mentality the toxic fundamental at the core of the failure which is the modern Democratic party. They don't want to understand voters or hear criticism. They don't want democracy within the party. Party leadership wants to manage the party in support of pro-corporate oligarchy, even if they lose elections.
There is no failure to grasp anything here. Its just, looking at the sad, deep cynicism which is represented by what is the mainstream Democratic view of things. If you genuinely cared about this Democracy, you would have put your effort into figuring out and understanding why the Democratic party is so deeply unpopular with voters. But you don't care. Its all a write off to you so you can morally wash your hands of the matter. As long as you've got someone to blame, you are good.
My main point was non-voters using self-reflection and realise they fucked up this time around, this is not me just trying to pass the buck as you and so many others are doing to the Democratic party. Sure I will agree the Democratic party was not perfect and all they would have done was continue the status quo. But as I stated earlier when a simple Pro’s and Con’s activity one would realise that the the status quo would have been better then the fascist BS and all the rights you have lost and are losing that is currently happening now.
Like I said I have seen better self reflection from those that once supported Trump than those that seemingly want to try and pass the blame entirely on the Democratic party without acknowledging their own failures.
You still fail to offer any points that can sway my mind from this.
Yeah we've been through this. l'm just using you to highlight how deeply cynical, toxic, and obviously counter productive your world views is.
It's a world view that will continue to allow rightwing grievance politics to persist, and even, help them gain traction.
You don't hold your view because you think it's going to help win elections or stop right wing nationalism: you're simply deeply emotionally attached to believing you are "right", even if that moral high grounds doesn't give you the outcomes you want.
You want voters who don't approach politics or elections to do their calculus your way, and if they don't, in your opinion that's their fault.
By carrying on with this, obviously counter productive approach to electoralism, you doom any chance you have of actually winning back voters to your cause.
You aren't an ally of what's right, your aren't even an opponent to that which is deeply wrong.
It's not a new way if looking at things, or even an interesting one, that you have. It's also an extremely predictable one, where we've seen Democrats focus their campaign around a basically identical rhetoric, to speculator and catastrophic failure, dooming us all.
This approach to politics, you approach to politics, results in Democrats to get their asses handed to them by right wing nationalists who are willing to understand why people feel so deeply disenfranchised by the system. They (rws) will speak to the deep pain and struggle people feel. Because people feel heard, they grow their base.
You aren't interested in growing a base or hearing or understanding why people largely don't vote. You just want to blame them. And because of this you're a destructive and toxic element within any kind of movement to try and stop rw nationalism.
It’s been nice sharing the differing views. Clearly a case of you believe one things and I another. Have a great day. Btw being an Australian means I am not suffering from this but I am interested in what caused it to protect against it our end. Thankfully our mandatory voting hopefully means the majority sees sense but wish us luck anyway.
Well the one thing I would strongly advocate for then, is that you make a concerted effort to understand why people feel the things that they feed and believe the things that they do, and demand that "your" politicians and political enterprises put addressing those issues in a material and substantial way front and center.
The denial of peoples lived experience is central to the failures of modern neoliberal ideologues; like you, they are disinterested in criticisms of their own approaches to politics, because it calls into question their entire ideology. In doing so they create the surface for right wing nationalist, reactionaries to come in, speak to peoples grievances, and misdirect that energy.
Not understanding and acknowledging that people do feel pain, are struggling, and maybe do have valid reasons for not participating in the political process is part-and-parcel to precisely how and why right wing movements have gained such significant traction.
I mean yeah once again thats your view point. I still stand by the fact that the non-voters in the US fell asleep at the wheel. Like I have said a few times before when the rights messaging leading up to election was as blatantly fascist and racist then what is currently happening in the US is hugely because of the non-voters fault and they need to take blame for their inaction in allowing it to happen.
I still stand by the fact that the non-voters in the US fell asleep at the wheel.
To be clear, the point that I am making is: if the above is your point, then you both a) do not understand how elections function; and b) are contributing to the rise of right wing nationalism by giving them the opportunity to co-opt disenfranchised voters by blaming them instead of understanding why they dont vote.
In case you did not notice but right wing fascism is already there in the US. It’s too late for you guys, the only thing that can stop this is the non-voters losing more rights until they are personally affected, then they will wake up and realise their mistake. The only question that remains is will it be too late.
The US is a cautionary tale for the rest of the world that in order to have a democracy you have to participate and pay attention in order to preserve it.
Or, it's a cautionary tale that when the political system fails to support its people, they become disenfranchised and easily manipulated.
Keeping telling the non voters that they're wrong for not voting. I'm sure they'll find your obtuseness and unwillingness to understand very convincing.
You are a hole the boat when it comes to stopping right wing movements.
