"Democracy is when I like the boot!"

Unfortunately, that's a pretty big barrier to being democratic.

But I agree that FPTP is one of the worst systems, and desperately needs to be replaced.

You're comparing a private political party to a dictatorship.
I agree that rich elites shouldn't be allowed to control any kind of election even party primaries.
But pretending China is more democratic than the US when they have a dictator is insane shit.
- You understand how a dictator is worse tho right?
  We are trying to rid ourselves of our parasitic leadership, the Chinese are completely impotent and don't even try to ursurp their wanabe king.
  Slave mentality
  
  I haven't said anything about China, positive or negative. I'm talking about how bad it is in the states and you're trying to tell me it's worse over there. How do you know that? Have you been there or talked to anyone (not someone with ties to large capital) there? Or do you just assume that the propaganda you're being fed is true? Why are you disparaging the Chinese people? The way you phrased it sounds a bit racist. Have you tried to usurp King Trump? What are you doing to resist being a wage slave? Or is that slave mentality okay?
  
  Yeah we both know what you came here to defend, you're not funny or cute for behaving like this. I guess you could be defending Russia's dictatorship but that's even worse lmao.
  How do you know the CCP state media isn't lying about the oligarchy? They can't even admit the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened.
  If you're repeating from the same script as the .ml users then next you will decend into whataboutism about the US.
  The Chinese government is a tyrannical dictatorship and you are coming out of the woodwork to suck authoritarian cock.
  
  You have failed to accurately assess my rhetoric and have chosen to do battle with a strawman.
  
  No i just don't engage with the CCP troll farm playbook.
  Whataboutism doesn't excuse you deep throating boot
  Back to .ml with you tankie scum
  
  Ricky Muir 🤣🤣🤣🤣
- You're comparing a private political party to a dictatorship.
  Yes. And it's a good comparison. Both filter who goes on the ballot paper and use that to retain power.
  
  Oh, so Chinese citizens publicly organize against their fascist leaders who they are planning on executing to be free again?
  Oh wait they've been silently deepthroating the boot since Xi declared himself dictator for life.
  
  Sorry? How is this an argument about American "democracy" not being like Chinese "democracy"?
  
  The Chinese slaves have accepted a dictatorship while Americans still want representative leaders
  Hope this helps
  
  American slaves have accepted a dictatorship while the chinese still want representative leaders.
  Makes a similar amount of sense.
  
  Cope
  
  Again, your argument does nothing to change my opinion.
In theory we can vote for whoever we want. In practice we can only elect whoever is backed by capital.
Jesus Christ.
Some people will do anything except face the fact that this is not a left-leaning electorate.
- You're screaming into the wind trying to convince lemmy progressives they aren't the silent majority.
  Fun fact, only about 12% of the Democratic base considers them self "progressive left".
  This poll is a little outdated but I'd be surprised if there have been drastic changes in the numbers.
  
  Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
  https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html
  
  No, no, you don't understand, Bernie would've won if only he was MORE left. But if he did win, the DNC would've just canceled the primaries.
  
  Less about him not being left enough, and more him not fighting enough. He should have never shut up about how the Dems betrayed him and the people, and campaigned on that, instead of falling in line. I guess you could argue it being him not being left enough, but I kinda see it as he's too old to have that same stubborn drive anymore.

I mean, yall really think Hillary Clinton was not chosen by the state? Or Biden/Harris last year?

Not really defending China here but, it’s not like our bullshit is better. The DNC and RNC run their bullshit how they want.

I mean, yall really think Hillary Clinton was not chosen by the state?
Do you not fucking remember the 2016 primary
- Where the DNC took in money for “the winner” of the primary, and gave it to Clinton to spend on the primary to skirt campaign finance law?
  Yeah, I remember it. The DNC was against Bernie, and did everything they could to stop him so Hillary could get the nomination. They likely would’ve chosen Hillary even if he won the primary anyways.
  My point is more it’s the DNC who runs all of that, not some magic free and fair democracy. They’re still the one choosing who runs.
  
  ... do you think the DNC is the government?
  
  They're a part of our corrupt and unrepresentative electoral system. They don't need to be the government for them to fuck up our democracy.
  
  Good thing you can go down to your county DNC headquarters and start actively working to change things
  
  You're avoiding the point.
  
  Well, I imagine if you're Chinese, you can go start changing the CPC as well.
  
  Literally? No, but I’ve posted about that in response to the other poster so you can read that.
  
  Where the DNC took in money for “the winner” of the primary, and gave it to Clinton to spend on the primary to skirt campaign finance law?
  So now we've changed from "The state chooses our candidates!" to "There's party favoritism"? Also not what fucking happened, bad as it was, but facts are so unexciting in comparison, aren't they?
  Yeah, I remember it. The DNC was against Bernie, and did everything they could to stop him so Hillary could get the nomination. They likely would’ve chosen Hillary even if he won the primary anyways.
  Jesus fucking Christ.
  My point is more it’s the DNC who runs all of that, not some magic free and fair democracy. They’re still the one choosing who runs.
  Bruh, considering that your opinion is that the DNC would've just nullified the primary if Bernie had won, I'm pretty sure your opinion on American elections is worth jack shit.
  
  So the article stating they gave Clinton control of the victory fund during the primaries is not the same as… giving her money collected by the DNC to allow her collect more than legally allowed by campaign finance laws? Cuz…. The article goes into exactly that?
  You can keep pretending america is perfect I guess man. Have fun. I’m just saying it’s not. Our elections are not some magical choice of the people who runs. It’s billionaires, DNC, and RNC running the show.
  In smaller elections it’s possible for a non-DNC candidate to win, mostly because the DNC has literally given up on small elections, or Florida as a whole, but in larger ones they will all but guarantee they lose.
  
  So the article stating they gave Clinton control of the victory fund during the primaries is not the same as… giving her money collected by the DNC to allow her collect more than legally allowed by campaign finance laws? Cuz…. The article goes into exactly that?
  Did you not read the fucking article.
  Or did you just not understand it.
  You can keep pretending america is perfect I guess man. Have fun. I’m just saying it’s not.
  Nice backpedal. This you?
  I mean, yall really think Hillary Clinton was not chosen by the state? Or Biden/Harris last year?
  Not really defending China here but, it’s not like our bullshit is better. The DNC and RNC run their bullshit how they want.
  
  Sorry, what are you reading in the article? The “technically this wasn’t illegal” and “I didn’t find other evidence other than this funding agreement”?
  It goes into how she skirted campaign finance laws. The DNC is allowed to collect like 15x more than individual campaigns. Allowing the Clinton campaign access to that about a year before the decision for the nominee, means she had access to up to 16x the amount Bernie sanders had access to. Was it technically legal? Sure. Because the DNC is usually controlled by an incumbent there’s nothing making it illegal for that to happen, is it effectively just skirting campaign finance law? Yes.
  I’m sure it’s legal for the CCP to choose the nominees as well. Does not make either of these right.
  (Also, yes I know the DNC and RNC are legally “not the government” but to pretend they don’t have legal control over primaries, have part in actual elections, and help control all of their elected officials who make up the government is a stupid fucking distinction that does not matter unless you’re the type who believes all laws are good and thus it’s morally right as long as it is legal.)
  Also, sorry, saying “we’re not better than China” and saying “just saying we’re not perfect” are… so… different? Like, is the DNC/RNC LITERALLY the state? No. But are they effectively the state? Yeah. Are the perfectly exactly controlling it? No. Are they effectively controlling it? Yes. My point mostly being I’m over people pretending we’re way better than China in every way possible when we’re just as fucking bad. We need to accept we are not good so we can make fucking improvements, not deflect elsewhere to pretend we’re the best.
  
  means she had access to up to 16x the amount Bernie sanders had access to.
  jfc, you are repeatedly demonstrating that you didn't read or understand the article, or the issue at hand, in favor of some weird conspiracy that I'm sure all your internet buddies have asspatted you for parroting.
  I’m sure it’s legal for the CCP to choose the nominees as well. Does not make either of these right.
  Even if we took your bizarre misreading of events at face value, "The DNC funded one candidate over another during an election" and "The state chooses who the population is allowed to vote for" are fucking miles away from each other.
  Also, sorry, saying “we’re not better than China” and saying “just saying we’re not perfect” are… so… different?
  Yes. Those two things are very different. Anyone with a basic level of literacy would understand that.
- Yeah I remember the super delegates all supporting Hilary in 2016.
  So now it's the superdelegates fault that Bernie lost the popular vote percentage by double-digits. Wonderful. I'm glad I get to revisit the utter dipshittery at the end of the 2016 primary again; as if the disappointment wasn't enough, the stupidity of my fellow man had to be on full display too.
  
  Sorry, I'll remember to give out asspats for bullshit next time.
I hate the DNC as much as you do, bit the DNC is not the state.
- They're certainly part of the state apparatus.