9mo ago

mistake rule

transcription: "your trans!? have you ever considered that god makes mistakes?" "well he made you."

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What about genetic disorders like type 1 diabetes, cystic fibrosis, or Huntington's disease? Nobody gatekeeps people with those conditions because "God makes no mistakes" - yet clearly, mistakes were made.
- "Those weren't mistakes! God does what he wants, we never said he was nice."
  If I did believe in God I would tend to agree, God is a massive piece of shit.
  
  OK, sure - but I mean when a type 1 diabetic gets a diagnosis and begins hormone therapy (i.e. taking insulin), it is not that different than a trans woman getting a diagnosis and beginning hormone therapy, yet Christians rarely tell a diabetic they shouldn't take insulin, but are quick to view the trans woman is immoral for taking estrogen. (Admittedly there are some Christians who might believe any medical interventions are wrong, but I assume they are not representative.)
  And yes, the problem of evil is a thing, Christians believe God is "omnibenevolent" (as well as being omnipotent, all powerful, and omniscient, all knowing) - this generates a kind of problem, in that no God that is all good, all powerful, and all knowing could exist given what we know about the world.
  
  I generally take the trans hate from them as more of a product of political manipulation given to them in a wrapper of religion to justify it.
  I fucking hate propagandists so much...
  
  agreed, it's politics more than religion - though tbh religion and politics are to intertwined it's unclear if it's possible to separate them ...
  and yes, I hate the manipulation of people for the sake of harmful agendas that seem to prioritize the needs of the few over the needs of the many.
  However, that just means we need effective propaganda that goes in the other direction, that promotes the well-being and rights of all, etc.
- It's definitely a lesser extent but yes they do.
  The people that are rude about that just say they've sinned, and they brought this on themselves.
  Source: friend has cf.
  
  Christians tell people with CF or diabetes that God doesn't make mistakes and their condition is not real as a result? It sounds like in the case of your friend the Christians are just saying the friend deserves CF because they are sinful and fallen, but not that CF doesn't exist.
  
  No it was "God doesn't make mistakes, therefore you must deserve to suffer."
  But that's also what ive heard from Christians about anything gay/trans. They dont say its fake, they say god made things the way they are on purpose and those urges and desires are temptations. They make it into a test of their faith.
  "Oh you have CF? You must have sinned a lot." (My friend, who is atheist) "yeah, actually. Dont really care though". "Oh well if you pray every day and atone and blah blah God will save you, hes just waiting for you to reach out to him."
  "Oh you wanna dress like a girl? No no, this is a test, god wants to know you're faithful. Repent for these thoughts and pray every day and atone [...]".
  Any failures or faults are sin, at least with the Christians I know in my area. Gay, trans, genetic disorders, cancer, whatever.
  So these ones, at least, admit gay/trans people exist. One of them even openly admitted to having those urges "once" but said he prayed the gay away.
  I got a strong feeling he secretly hates himself in a few ways. The alcoholism was a big hint.
  The short of it is "It's not a mistake if it's a test."
- Did you not see that girl who died of measles because she wasn't vaxxed? That was a few weeks ago. Parents were all like "don't vaccinate your kids, god has a plan" after still.
  These people are liable to kill you faster to complete god's design or whatever rather than help you in any way. Actual psychopaths feeling justified cause of "god".
  
  Reminds me of that story of a family in a flood and helicopters.
  
  For those who want to know which story, the short version is family house in a flood, family make it to the roof. Boat comes, another, another they send them away "God will save me" a helicopter comes, is told to go. The family die. God tells them they fucked up 'cause He sent three boats and a helicopter which they refused
  I hate antivaxxers. As a kid I couldn't get my first dose of measles vaccine because I was sick, and wasn't vaccinated until my 5 year old vaccinations. I was sick with measles, but was okay.
  I got measles because vaccination wasn't widespread then and there. The same happened to other kids and they weren't as lucky.
  This kid was betrayed by their community, denied vaccines that would have kept them alive because people lied to them
  Ed. Swipeographical errors
- Those are the work of the devil, obviously.
  
  Shame their god isn't more powerful than their devil

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