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"Liberals will win majority of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, CNN projects"
The one on the right should be "Edgelord leftists posting on Lemmy"
I mean I'm not gonna deny that some like Schumer have been totally useless. But over the last few months "liberals doing nothing" has included halving Tesla's stock price and winning the Supreme Court in a state that went Trump. In prediction markets future races are looking bad for Republicans. Don't like what democrats are doing? Great, go run or support a candidate you do like. Or better yet, run as a Republican and do a hostile takeover of that party so you can challenge democrats from the left in the general too. There's enough anger at Republicans now that it could actually work, especially in safe blue districts.
- None of these things are lib achievements.
  
  Libs are the ones who were holding tesla stock. Libs were buying teslas. It is absolutely is a lib achievement
  
  They're burning their own cars?
  A Tesla is a shit car, it can not compete without protectionism and would lose hard against superior Chinese cars anyway without massive protectionism.
  Tesla stocks isn't even at its lowest point.
  https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/stock-price-history
  Even if it was, what would it have 'achieved'? It won't even hurt Musk personally.
  As if he would care about a few billion less.
  He has other companies and many gov defense contracts to help terrorise the world. Plenty of them made under your great lib gov.
  I guess he was still OK when he demanded to keep his factories open in peak covid times or when he did plenty of other horrible things?
  
  Ewan has been on television crying about Tesla stock every six hours for the past two weeks.
  They are using the full force of the United States government to protect Tesla dealerships.
  is obviously not doing OK with this. His creditors on Twitter just made him combine it with his AI company so he’s basically losing that to the bank too.
  we’re off to a great start. And it’s just getting started.
  
  LOL, but I guess it's what to expect coming from someone calling AOC a "total lefty"
  
  June 2018 was a long time ago now. She came across pretty far to the left. When considering the sliding American center going right, she remains far to the left of the American political spectrum.
  Can you identify 5-10 congresspeople futher to the left of AOC?
  
  congresspeople
  See, that's a specific group.
  And what you call 'to the left of them' is simply and objectively 'less right'
  
  Anyone doing leftist purity tests is usually where I start with far left. I can fully agree that America does not represent many real leftist views because there are not many real leftist in America. They are not a majority.
  They do wonderful things in smaller towns where they are the majority. But yes, I agree with you. There are no real leftist in the US government and that’s pretty much by design because they’re not well represented in the general public.
  
  3rd party avg about 5% in the US, and even then they aren't necessarily all left.
  So what you describe as 'not a majority' is more accurately extremely rare.
  
  I think its okay to own your place on the political compass. Some reason the far left and far right always imagine they are the center and thats how we get extremism and unpopular policies! Look around you, 330M americans. Lots of opinions. Where do your opinions land if we lined them all up between left and right. Nothing wrong with being a lefty. All opinions matter, not all should be forced on people.
  
  Look around you, 330M americans.
  I'm not American so my Overton window is what it should be, unlike the unhealthy US landscape.
  And even on mine I am pretty far left.
  Nothing wrong with being a lefty
  Certainly not, but you should at least know to rate them accurately.
  Larping as left like AOC or Bernie doesn't cut it.
  
  Well that’s what I was trying to discuss with you, I do think I can rate them accurately. We may not agree on how I rate people because I am writing them in context of the voters around me.
  The leftist in my local city are much different than the leftist in our national government. So yes the based local leftist who run food drives and do social workers are ‘real leftists’( leftist purity test or a leftist thing) the guys that talk Marx theory and run for local office. I know all types.
  But in the American national government, there are few of those types. Because they do not represent a majority of Americans. They are the far left in this country. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just where the median is today in my interpretation.
  
  We may not agree on how I rate people because I am writing them in context of the voters around me.
  Well you are right.
  A typical American thing, many of them have a faulty benchmark for rating since they only think about their own country.
  This while the rest of the world mostly uses these terms accurately since they don't have this narrow spectrum and they are well defined and universal.
  Especially online that can lead to confusion.
  
  Well usually when we're talking about 'democrats' we're talking about an American political party. And if we're talking about American politics, i assume we are talking aout American politics, and assume their values. Not the French, or the Japanese. I like to learn about other peoples politics too, but thats not what we are discussing here.
- Dems biggest problem has never been results. They have done that. Time and time again. Fix the economy. Solve unemployment. Shot the steal. Whatever it is. They have actually done it each time.
  But i have never seen a group that has been so mindblowingly incompetent at messaging.
  Take some fucking credit you dipshits!
  Seriously. Biden did almost everything we asked him to do. But the party never took credit or bragged about it enough. So much so that despite accomplishing the status quo, he still came across as a loser and lost the election for his incumbent.
  They did what we asked. But we were too timid or pc to take the fucking credit! we lost because of some semblance of decorum or some other nonsense.
  Brag about it you pussy ass removed!
  
  Part of the messaging problem is our lefties who complain that nothing is lefty enough
  
  If a handful of online "lefties" can undo Democrats' billion dollars of advertising, then that sounds like you're agreeing that Dems are mind-blowingly incompetent at messaging.
  If Dems can't win until everyone matches in lockstep with no disagreement then either Dems need to fall in line with their base, or get ready for a third Trump term.
  P.S. Democrats are a centrist party (at best). It shouldn't be surprising that Leftists don't consider them left enough. Why does the existence of Leftists anger moderates so much?
  
  They aren't the ones who are undoing the achievements. The rich rightwingers are doing it. They employ a bunch of different channels, including some amount of useful idiots on the left, who are doing their bidding without understanding.
  The right can do it because they aren't bound by any morals, or adherence to decorum, or fear of retaliation, or fear of change in general. Dems are the party of moderate gradual adherence to status quo and maybe moderate change for slightly better, if it's not too bothersome. And the left for some reason hates the second more that the first, so they aren't helping.
  
  I agree with you. and power to the people we should be able to express our will over that of some rich guy.
  I also agree that Democrats are eccentric party and we do not treat the far left very well. I just consider you to weigh the impact of your vote in the future.
  I really don’t want to have to go defend Canada for my own country next time if I could. I’m sure you have other wants to.
  
  Can you tell me why any time I express the slightest criticism of the Democrats, a Democrat has to lecture about voting? I did not say anything about how I voted.
  
  Can you tell me why any time I express the slightest criticism of the Democrats, a Democrat has to lecture about voting?
  Because VBNMW is the Blue MAGA mantra to deflect any criticism from a candidate who is racist, sexist, queerphobic, because the other guy is a bit more racist, sexist, and queerphobic.
- My Tesla shorts are making my portfolio great again, I need more of Elons money.
- They sat out the election so they could do this instead.

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