Democats filibuster medicaid cuts for 12 hours live.

Fuck no. This is exactly the time to hold their feet to the fire and demand they be better and do more... They're handing everything over to the fascists to try to get the oligarchs back on their side

The last thing we should do is believe they're an effective resistance

Yes, that's correct. What I'm trying to get away from the "both sides" thing is because it does the exact opposite which is foster complacency.
- Correct. Brooker standing up and talking all night long, for 18 hours to give voice to Americans who have reached out to him is democracy. This is the good side. These guys are crying tears as they try to hold it together and get the longest filibuster in history.
  This should draw support and applause from everyone. This is holding them to the fire. No one sleeps. No one negotiates. Endless filibuster until Congress gets reigned in.
  
  And I applaud Booker
  This is the good side
  Where are the other 40ish senators and why aren't they helping him?
  
  Why are all of you coming here and commenting without looking at the video im trying to share? I want to talk to you about the content of the filibuster that's been happening for 20 hours. How do you think he's been standing for 20 hours straight? There's 10-20 other Dem senators there helping him by taking questions, giving speeches and allowing him to get bathroom breaks.
  
  There's 10-20 other Dem senators there helping him by taking questions, giving speeches and allowing him to get bathroom breaks.
  And they're doing the bare minimum. They should've been on rotational shifts from one week in, and this especially should've been going on when they signed away all their power with the budget approvals a few weeks ago.
  I promise I am not attacking you personally, let's just not mistake this as the Democratic party fighting, this is one man fighting an uphill battle with the bare level of help.
  
  He's litterally calling to hit the streets and fight? What exactly do you want the senate minority to do? Especially after the minority leader sold them down the river.
  
  Why are they asking us to risk getting thrown in an ice internment camp when they are the ones who standing by in DC abiding by legalities that no longer exist?
  
  I've got some extra firearms if you need one to defend yourself. Im pretty sure ice isn't gonna come arrest me and the retired old ladies protesting in front of the capital, but it would make good news for the cause. Idk i refuse to live in fear. I refuse to live like a impotent fool. Go do something besides discourage people from being productive.
  
  Man you got a lot of opinions for a guy afraid of protesting and boycotting? Are you afwaid of a wittle ice at your wokal pwotest? What are you suggesting here?
  
  Sorry I don't want to join your parade I'll keep doing real mutual aid work
  
  Because both sides aren't the same but serve the same masters.
  
  Your comment serves the wrong master. Please go watch the live stream and give it a chance. I think he will show you he's sincere and the people are who he represents. Join us in hope fren.
  
  Listen to the video and you'd think differently. He's been screaming about the rich robbing the poor for 24 hours straight man. At least watch before you say something. This conversation is about the filibuster which is live and on going, save the grievences for another thread plz.
  
  I'm sure there are at least 4 democrats who represent their voters.
  I'm talking about the other 99% of the irredeemable party that is complicit in the current coup, because they are choosing to earn the good graces of their rich masters instead of stopping the coup.
  
  Lets eat them. Move the protest from the capital to their actual personal residences and don't let them leave until they step down. No car to the grocery store, human wall. No more making it to the capital to vote, human wall. Plenty of non-violent ways to make their positions unbearable. I agree after seeing the vote pass that Bookers speech was preventing. bunch of turn coat dems. only 45 managed to vote against the new head of nato.
  Class war. eat the rich.
  
  Precisely
  
  Precisely what? Who is Brookers Master? Who is elizebeth warrens Master? who is bernie sanders Master?
  Who do these people serve? Do you have proof?
  
  Billionaires, US politics is largely fanfare with niche outliers like Bernie. There's a reason the US has largely been the exact same imperialist state feeding the billionaires for almost 50 years now. Democrats had 100% control of Senate, House, and Executive branch in 2022 and what did they do to prevent what is unfolding today?
  Largely fanfare with a focus on imperialist foreign affairs in Gaza.
  Anyone who's been paying attention to the news for more than 3 administrations can tell you this is the reality of our system and nothing will change until it crashes and is rebuilt.
  
  Great history lesson. The dems did not have a super majority in the senate so here we are. There was no progress because the filibuster. Thank god for that filibuster cause we need it now. You need to get 70% of americans to agree with you if you want to make change. It's a high bar to set and billionaires sure are influencial in the conversations, and the elections. We should change that but 70% of people can't agree on that either. You think a new government will fix that or do we need to fix the broken people? Like why is it that 70% of ameicans can't agree on taxing people richer than them or keeping billionaires out of politics in a meaningful manner?
  I've been playing attention for the past 6 administrations. I cared about Gaza while you were playing in the sandbox. You guys just found out about Gaza on Tic Tok, and handed trump a presidency over it because you can't even seperate iranian propaganda from genuine compassion.
  
  There was no progress because the filibuster.
  When it's Democrats in control this is the excuse.
  When it's Republicans in control they do as they please illegal or not.
  Why do you think this is? Republicans have already burned through 80% of Project 2025 without a filibuster being started, why are they able to accomplish so many of their goals, the Democrats however almost none.
  Their AIPAC and Insurance provider paychecks come with stipulations.
  You say you're empathetic towards Gaza yet you're rooting for a politician who's accepted 3/4 million dollars directly from Israel.
- There's two kind of "both sides"... There's "we need a middle ground" which is horse shit, it leads to a choice between fascism and fascism-light
  Then there's "our politicians are decrepit zombies, so let's do a leftist version of the tea party"
  People want change, not stability. Not anymore. Everything sucks, so who are they going to vote for... An openly fascist snake oil salesman saying he's going to fix everything, or someone composed insisting things aren't as bad as they seem?
  It's a toss up, apparently.
  Change. Remember that campaign slogan? Because it won, and Obama delivered so little of it

Maybe when the Democrats stop taking the corporate campaign dollars that align them financially with their Republican colleagues and kick out the blue MAGA assholes like Fetterman.

Maybe if more than 20% of voters showed up and voted in the primaries instead of incessantly removed about term limits, we wouldn’t have so many capitalist centrists in Congress.
- What country do you think we're talking about?
  Obama proved that turnout improves when politicians make specific promises about the things they're going to fix and the only message folks got from the Harris campaign was that everything is fine and nothing needs fixing.
  Nobody's removed about the term limits on presidents, we removed about term limits in congress because it's the only way to get the dinosaurs holding back progress to step down.
  
  We’re talking about the US Congress. Congressional primaries average ~20% voter turnout.
  
  Yeah, because America isn't a democracy. It only pretends to be one.
  There's no fixing this without rewriting the constitution and there's no way to do that when our politics are this dysfunctional.
  
  We directly elect Congress. My point was poor primary turnout results in more of the same. Your argument is pointless criticism. Throw your hands up in disgust somewhere else.
  
  The poor primary turnout isn't the cause of the problem, it's the inevitable result of an electoral system that is designed to prioritize money over people.
  Merely improving turnout is not our goal, at best it is a means to an end. The actual end goal is the establishment of a government that represents the interests of all, but there's no way to get there from here even with 100% turnout.
  I'm not "throwing my hands up in disgust", I'm offering a clear-eyed perspective on the challenges we face and the hardships that must be endured to achieve democracy.
  If your organization isn't treating the U.S. government as a threat actor then it can be safely ignored. If it is, then your opsec shouldn't allow you to talk about it online.
  
  Sure, idealism is great, but none of that will happen by November 2026. I’m suggesting we use the system that is already available to us before condemning its efficacy. Why is that sentiment worthy of contest?
  
  Because the system is designed to give people like us zero levers of control.
  The only idealist here is the person sugesting that reform from within the system is possible.
  
  It does though. I agree with most of your statments in this thread. We don't need to re-write the constitution. However we could if we wanted too. We can't get 70% of america to agree on whats best for everyone. That's not the government thats us. I'm open to hearing causes and solutions, but to act like we don't have power is false. our government gives us power. 70% of the country doesn't know how use it, or we can't agree on how to use it. That's my assessment anyway.
  Social security is overwhelmingly popular but the majority of people can't vote to save it. So when we finally cut social security and no one even votes out their congressmen I think we will discover its not the political system its us.
  
  There's no voting our way out of this
  
  Maybe because there’s nobody to turn out for?
  
  I think there are some good arguments for not having term limits in congress. One of the most convincing is a new congressman is more likely to be manipulated through ignorance versus the entrenched interest of an older one.
  We need AGE limits. 80 year olds can't do anything more than consult in the government. If the DNC loves 80 year old dinosaurs so much, they can pay them to consult younger congress people. I value the wisdom of pelosi but i need youthful vigor of AOC. AOC has like the right amout of experience to be effective in government, we wouldnt want to Term limit AOC before her time to shine ya know?
  
  I agree with both age and term limits. My comment was meant to illustrate the hypocrisy in people complaining about the lack of efficacy of a system that they don’t even use.
  
  Yea there's a lot of that going on in here. Mind boggling how so many people can criticize a government they are willfully ignorant of. The people most desperate to exercise their political will can't seem to manage to figure out how. I'm trying to help them. we need that kind of passion.
  
  I’m with you there. I’ve been doing that since the 90s. Most of my friends are Gen-Xers. Wanna talk about a frustrating group to engage?🙄
  
  Yea im that age as well where big brother and friends are young GenX knuckle heads. Gen Z is REALLY hard to communicate with. the women are super intelligent and articulate and the boys leave a lot to be desired in intellectual conversation. The younger they are the more this stand out. I'm hoping gen A is based.
  GenX has had a really disappointing political evolution. The punk rock boys i looked up to are extinct.
  
  Agreed. A piece of me died when they closed CBGB’s. It seems like the grunge apathy stuck around far too long too.
  
  We need more music for the revolution. The revolution needs some culture.
It's just like you can make these gerrymandered racist districts disappear and reform by wagging a finger at them.
- Our government persists in its current form only because the American public is too cowardly to resist it. Those districts could disappear and reform overnight if enough of us stopped treating them as valid.
  
  Well thats a fair point i guess. i dont know how im supposed to resist the voters will in some georgia shithole county but i like your idea about boycotting.
  
  It's not the voters you need to resist, it's the idea that a government can be valid when it purposefully acts against the best interests of those it is supposed to represent. Our implied consent of the governed is false and should not be respected.
  
  You're speaking my language now. I really rejoice in your idea.
Yea and maybe we can wave a magic wand and make Marg Taylor Green's district all respect people and democracy! wouldn't that be nice!

No. Republicans filibustered overnight on medical care as well.

...Oh, wait, that was Ted Cruz speaking against the ACA.

No apparently we must undermine any moral opposition that aligns with our own, and all suffer the consequences of trump together while doing nothing.

My life goal right now is to figure out why people on the left are still critical of Biden, Harris and dems doing their JOBS while having nothing to say about how to oppose mango and Minsk

They like complaining and "being right" is more important to them than being helpful. Whether they are right or not is immaterial to the facts. Whatever the issue is they just need to be seen being right about it.
Incidentally that's a common trait among narcissists.
- That's my new angle with them. It became apparent last night that if they can't have their views be popular, then 330 million people should suffer.
  No need to reflect on how fringe and minority those views may be. No need to reflect on the suffering inaction will cause.
  Claim the moral high ground and never let anyone up with you!

Individual people who are Democrats can be good people. The Democratic party has been asleep at the wheel when they're not ignoring the will of their constituents since mid-Obama and allowed us to slide into this disaster.

DNC bad, DNC suppress good democrats, and elevates bad ones. Lets figure out who the good ones are and empower them outside of the DNC.
- I mean I remember back in 2008 when dailykos would frequently say “elect more democrats and better democrats”
  The idea being that we could fix the dnc from within. Progressives just needed to vote for better Dems.
  The dnc realized that they had a real hard time beating republicans in the general but boy oh boy could they whoop the progressives in the primary.
  Blue dog dem, here’s the dnc gold card and the PIN code.
  Progressive dem, we will spend any amount of money to keep you off the ballot.
  And we see where it’s led us, the dnc is now good at one thing and one thing only, raising money for the dnc. Oodles and oodles and oodles of money and losing the nation to autocracy
  
  Fully agree. They had their chance in 2016 to listen to the popular calls for bernie. Policies would have prevented this incredible rise of billionaires into the very seats of power we hold dearly. DNC needs to be completely replaced by new leaders. They need to be a democratic organization if they want to be called democrats. They make me sick. I hope we can get rid of them or force them to spend money on good candidates.
  
  The DNC essentially handing Clinton the nomination was the height of hubris on both party's sides. Clinton for thinking she was owed the presidency and the DNC for purporting to be the more left leaning party while actively ignoring the majority of their voters to move farther right. In the nomination process the only vote that a member of the DNC leadership gets should be their vote in their precinct, but instead they get supervotes that are weightier than the aggregate votes of entire regions.
  Fuck these blue posers and their rigged game. We gotta make our own party farther left - pro union, pro taxing the rich at at least 75% on income over $500k, pro actual healthcare paid for by taxes, pro social welfare programs paid for by taxes, pro environmental reclamation and ACTUAL green tech... you know, all those things that make sense and lead to a stable, productive country.
  
  I'm really hoping a viable third party emerges and can get a large majority to end the rule of DNC RNC. If you build it they will come. Someones gotta step out and make it. Plenty of people willing to support it.
Asleep at the wheel is a nice way to put it while they are wearing eyeshades and earplugs.

When the Democrats grow a spine and start actually blocking all progress like the Republicans can magically do every time they are the minority.

Fair point. They've always defaulted to Shumering because shutting down the government causes a lot of pain for people dependent on public services, but with the idiots in charge already dismantling everything, there's zero reason not to, most of the people dependent on the government are already getting fucked DOGEy style anyway.
- Correct, right now they are proving that they will hold the senate floor all day and prevent legislation. I'm hoping they have discovered a way to block everything. Scream and removed and never give up the floor. No new laws. No new budgets, no tax cuts. endless sit in.
  
  🤞🏽
I think this is that thing. They have found a way to shut down the congress. They just need to hold the floor for 2 years. They need to be encouraged to hold the senate floor for 2 years. The ultimate sit in. You want your representatives doing something? Obstructing congressional progression is that thing. Endless sit in.
- He's been going all day and nothing passed, i hope they can keep it up.
  I've been trained all my life to never count on Democrats for anything, it would be better late than never

No one should know any peace until first past the post voting is replaced and 3rd parties are free to participate in elections with no spoiler effect.

No more holding noses.

No more hostage situation.

Democracy. Sure republicans dont want it. How about the democratic party? Is this a purity test that the democrats can pass? They say they support democracy, time to prove it. Shouldn't be hard to convince them.

I don't think your post directly addresses my point but your point is extremely important. One of the reasons we're so fractured is the lack of proportion representation of people in government and that is because of the broken FPTP system that's so prevalent.
No one should know any peace until
Yeah fuck off, accelerationist fuck.
To still be saying this stupid shit after witnessing the suffering that's already being caused... Gross.

When we have a side that rejects the corporate bribe take and has an overt agenda to fight the capitalist profiteers in defense of the people, sure.

Until we dig ourselves out by rejecting private profit/growth/metastasis at the expense of the people at the bottom of society, nothing can improve.

Since Reagan got his former opposition party on the take, all we've been voting on is the speed of decline as good cop(D) and bad cop(R) encourage us to hate one another and be divided over the social issue symptoms of the captured economy we don't get a vote on.

I vote blue out of harm reduction. But democrats still don't give a shit about mass murder for private profit, mass homelessness, income inequality, on and on. They affirm your identity instead of scapegoating you, which is nice, but is also free for their mutual donor's quarterly profit expectations.

What good is being free to be who you are when you're dying of exposure and police brutality under a freeway for failing to produce enough value for the owners?

If there's another real presidential election, and if a democrat gets elected, we'll get four years of relative quiet but the situation will continue to grow darker as the DNC will not allow the capital markets to be reigned in, which means even if we avert this fascist march, the table will still be set for them to continue their march in four years. Wall Street must end. And it will, by our hands, or capitalist made climate change in a couple decades when it no longer matters for our species.

I think democrats do care about a lot of that issues. They just can't get any good ideas that will create bipartisan support. It's a failure of imagination and leadership. It is a failure to stand up to corporate interests. But at least the dems care. Im listening to 10 of them right now who really care. Watch the video please its important to boost media numbers and give a voice to this opposition.

Nah.

We're too busy believing immigrants are eating people's fucking pets in Springfield, Ohio because a felon rapist habitual liar told us so.

Americans are weak as fuck man. Weak and stupid. So we'll continue ignoring all available data and believe the falsehood that both sides are equally bad.

I share your sentiment but I still chose to believe we are losing an information war. People are not that stupid the right wing media system is truly powerful. We're not going to get people back by belittling them. It's a cult we need to treat it like a cult. Plenty of research on how to get people out of cults.
Shit man, there are still (a lot) of people on this very site pushing this shit. Like their entire personality is based around hating the Democratic party (yet have nothing but neutral to good things to say about Trump). It's so goddamn annoying.