China's Internet Firewall is Good, Actually
China's firewall plays a crucial role in shaping the country’s digital landscape, preventing foreign intervention, and maintaining national security. While often criticized in the West, the firewall provides China with the ability to control information flow, shield its population from foreign influence, and protect domestic media.
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"Agent Knowwaynohow, we have a mission of the upmost importance. We're losing our battle against Liberal Democracy and we need your help. Take your youtube channel with less than 1200 views per video and start posting pro-China videos. This way we can combat the might of CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, OAN, Sky, NYT, Wapo, BBC, The Guardian, basically all of Western Media. Sure it's a multibillion dollar industry that spans the globe but we can beat it when you get 30k subscribers and your top video has 400k views. For your hard work on this we will pay you....with a cruise?"
I'm not following...
Should be the name of your biography.
oh shit
Saying that like he didn't mention in the video that he spent a long time in China
Of course seeing how far China has come in person would turn him into a commie lmao
China doesn't have to pay people for propaganda, just existing and investing in their infrastructure makes them visibly better than the US and the vast majority of our lackey nations
Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
In the aftermath of the Cold War, several factors contributed to a resurgence of separatist sentiment among Uyghur nationalists in Xinjiang. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. Some high-profile examples include:
In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labor, began to emerge.
As materialists, we understand that terrorists don't magically appear out of thin air. There are material reasons for people resorting to such extreme measures. In order to combat the threat of rising extremism, these reasons must be indentified and resolved. One of the main causes is economic marginalization. When people are economically disadvantaged or excluded from mainstream economic activity, they may be more likely to turn to extremism as a way to address their grievances and gain a sense of purpose. Generally speaking, people who feel like they have a bright future do not resort to terrorism. It is only when people feel hopeless or trapped that they resort to such measures.
If the issue is that the Uyghurs were disenfranchised, and that is the reason they were susceptible to religious fundamentalism and resorting to terrorism, then surely the solution is to enfranchise them to remove that material condition. This is what the Strike Hard campaign ultimately sought to accomplish.
There is only flimsy evidence for the most egregious of the allegations being made about what China is doing in Xinjiang, it should be an easy matter to dismiss. Normally, the burden of evidence lies with the party making the claims. However, Western media is happy to spread rumours and present the allegations as having merit because it serves America's imperialist interests. Additionally, given the severity of the allegations and the gravity of the crimes China is being accused of, this issue has been taken very seriously by the international community, especially the international Muslim community.
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
- Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter A/HRC/41/G/17 to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
...separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.
We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)
China is not the only country to have faced faced a challenge of this nature. The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in March 2003, which was justified by the Bush administration as a response to Iraq's alleged possession of weapons of mass destruction and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
A former commander of NATO’s forces in Europe, [retired General Wesley] Clark claims he met a senior military officer in Washington in November 2001 who told him the Bush administration was planning to attack Iraq first before taking action against Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan...
Clark says after the 11 September 2001 attacks, many Bush administration officials seemed determined to move against Iraq, invoking the idea of state sponsorship of terrorism, “even though there was no evidence of Iraqi sponsorship of 9/11 whatsoever”...
He also condemns George Bush’s notorious Axis of Evil speech made during his 2002 State of the Union address. “There were no obvious connections between Iraq, Iran, and North Korea,” says Clark...
Instead, Clark points the finger at what he calls “the real sources of terrorists – US allies in the region like Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia”.
Clark blames Egypt’s “repressive policies”, Pakistan’s “corruption and poverty, as well as Saudi Arabia’s “radical ideology and direct funding” for creating a pool of angry young men who became “terrorists”.
US ‘plans to attack seven Muslim states’ | Al Jazeera (2003)
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million.
The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)
In summary:
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.
#Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?
Let's review some of the people and organizations involved in strongly promoting this narrative.
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. His anti-Communist and anti-China stances influence his work and makes him selective in his use of data. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. He also ignores the broader historical and political context of the situation in Xinjiang, such as the history of separatist movements and terrorism in the region.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. In this case, there is a compelling material reason for the US the promote a narrative of a genocide occurring in Xinjiang.
The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. The project has been described as a new Silk Road, connecting China with its neighboring countries and expanding trade and economic ties with the rest of the world.
The BRI includes plans for major infrastructure projects in Xinjiang. These projects aim to improve connectivity and facilitate trade between China and countries in Central Asia and beyond. The Xinjiang region is critical part of the Belt.
For the United States, the BRI is a threat to its economic and political dominance. For one, the BRI could undermine US efforts to promote "free trade" agreements, which have often been used to lock in economic reforms and policies that benefit American corporations. The BRI also threatens to undermine US influence in key regions of the world, particularly in Asia and Africa, by providing countries with an alternative source of financing and investment that is not tied to US-led institutions like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
Moreover, the BRI could help to shift the global balance of power away from the United States and towards China. By expanding its economic influence and deepening its ties with other countries, China could emerge as a more formidable competitor to the United States in the global arena.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
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You can't be fucking serious.
So not only doyou refuse to even engage with anything that doesn't come from your pre approved list of sources when somebody takes rhe time to actually compile a bunch of sources and wrote up a summary for you that also isn't acceptable.
It's almost like you are completely fucking brainwashed to immediatly reject literally any sort of information that doesn't match up with your personal opinion which just so happens to exactly match the opinion of the state department.
Americans truly are the most willfully ignorant propogandized people in the world.
You haven't pointed out "how it's shit" at all, you just keep saying it is. When is your lunch break,
? You might have time while you eat in the Langley cafeteria to watch this video.The source is fine, you're fucking clueless
Don't read, don't think, don't learn, stay inside, stay inside, stay inside, it's nice inside, it's safe inside, you don't have to think inside, you don't have to read inside, just stay inside. Shhhhh. Shhhhhhhhhhh. Its ok now, you're inside now, you don't need to fear the outside any more, little baby.
It might not require a lot of effort to paste it but it definitely took a lot of effort to assemble, clearly far more effort than you've put into thinking about it
Is it low-effort? It sure looks high-effort to me. There are a ton of sources (some of them I hadn't read before), it's written really well, and organized quite nicely. Sure, it's clearly copy-pasted, RedWizard didn't write it fresh for this post, but like, so? If it's good info written and sourced well, why not post it every time the question comes up? Someone new will see it every time, and they might dig into the sources and become more knowledgeable because of how well-organized and well-sourced this copy-pasted super informational post is.
What would you have had RedWizard post instead? A less well-organized piece that he wrote specifically for this comment thread? Something off-the-cuff and not so informative? Or maybe you wanted him to just post nothing. Perhaps you just expected everyone here to simply agree with you about the situation in Xinjiang, without doing any research of our own. Is that it? You wanted to come in here and parrot something you've heard other people say, not expecting any pushback. But then you got presented with contradictory evidence, so you called it low-effort to allow yourself to ignore it?
"Presenting a docket of evidence that I'm wrong is simply a dishonest trick to convince onlookers that I'm wrong"
Yesterday i saw a guy in your exact position say "Fuck you, your evidence isn't evidence of anything" and I think this is even funnier. The liberal epistemology, whose form is not a structure of analysis but a self-sealing fog of vague insinuation, is finally burning away in the face of The Definite.
Neither your lol nor your y'all is fooling anybody, here's some knowledge for you to angrily ignore:
Get a job
i'd love to see what you consider a trustworthy source, and the way you determined that
Show a single trustworthy source.
It's simply an astro-turfing tactic to make it appear that I'm the unreasonable one to outsiders viewing this.
You literally refusing to even watch the video this post is about or read any of the info provided but still making dozens of comments insisting you're right and we're all propogandized is doing a way better job of that then any of us could hope to
videos like this
What video? Do you have me mixed up with someone else in this thread?
Oh, not for me. I almost never actually watch videos that get posted, and I haven't watched this one.
I was simply pointing out that the lovely piece of writing RedWizard posted is worth reading, and that you calling it "low-effort copypasta" is ridiculous. I then, right at the end of my comment, speculated as to a specific reason why you might want to dismiss RedWizard's piece as "low-effort copypasta".
Get a job
You're a fucking idiot
Good lord the sheer rudeness to someone taking effort to educate.
It might not require a lot of effort to paste it but it definitely took a lot of effort to assemble, clearly far more effort than you've put into thinking about it
You have yet to post a single source. For someone that claims to be rational sure are acting emotionally.
The pollution is the direct result of other countries outsourcing their manufacturing to exploit chinese labor for increased profits, and they're rapidly reducing that pollution with the infrastructure investments I mentioned. The censorship is clearly necessary, as evidenced by the US getting absolutely bodied by relatively simple online disinfo campaigns. And the ethnic cleansing is fictional, fucking duh. Uighurs are directly represented in the ruling party, their language is present in official documents and on their currency. Xinjiang is literally open to foreign tourism right now, you could go there yourself and learn better in person.
I would present evidence
please do
5 hours later...
They deleted all their posts lol.
I would present evidence, but there is no evidence
China invited every country to send journalists and ambassadors to Xinjiang and none of them took them on that offer, why is that?
There is no evidence at all for anything even remotely resembling an ethnic cleansing going on in China. If you don't have the spine for admitting you were duped the next best thing would be to shut the fuck up entirely.
Lol pure projection, try harder
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative.
And yet in your previous comment you confidently regurgitated lies you failed to vet yourself. Do you not see the ridiculous level of hypocrisy you are displaying here? You demanded some vague notion of thorough vetting from the people you are talking to and when provided with a wealth of sources that support the video, your next response is "I ain't reading all that". Also, whether you admit it to yourself or not there is deep deep seated white supremacy you have internalized and it is very obvious for all to see, so maybe reflect on that too.
you confidently regurgitated lies you failed to vet yourself
Yes, you clearly do not hold yourself to the same standard as you demand from others, because you outright listed multiple things as fact that were immediately debunked. You ask others to rigorously vet this video (which we showed the sources for) and yet you refuse to actually vet any information yourself. Everything you have said in this entire thread has been false, the only conclusion I can draw is that you thought you could come in here and stir shit up, but you are getting frustrated at people tearing your assertions to shreds.
When i posted my vetting
What vetting? You didn't watch the video. You couldn't be bothered to look at the outlets, not even the individual articles, within the bibliography.
You had a knee-jerk reaction that China is bad, and when you receive pushback for your racist assertion, you continue to triple and quadruple down.
As a great man once said: "no investigation, no right to speak" - if you had any kind of meaningful critique of this piece outside of "I hate China" there are dozens of people that would be happy to have genuine discourse. But when your entire thesis is that you hate asians, you can't be surprised the people don't treat you like a worldly intellectual.
an intention to persuade.
Our only intention is to teach. If that causes you to change your mind great! That is a healthy way to deal with new information, but you did not come in good faith so please spare me the self pity. You chose not to engage with any of the people that actually gave you thoughtful and exhaustively sourced information relative to your original unfounded complaint based on nothing but reactionary emotional response to it being about China and being positive, and to cap it all off YOU DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO.
In short, sit down stop talking about subjects you are ignorant on or be prepared to have a lot of people telling you you're wrong, and luckily for you more than a few that have the patience to educate you, start listening to them and reading the material we voluntarily work to provide you and maybe you will learn something, but only if you allow yourself to. If not you're going to have a very bad time with this community and most of the people that did the work to build it and the software that keeps it all going.
Your fear of "persuasion" comes from western exceptionalism and willful ignorance, you think you have everything figured out and anything that contradicts all that you think you know is scary, we've all been there, but closing your eyes, plugging your ears and rejecting the reality and material conditions of the world we live in helps nobody and frankly is just really really fuckin irritating.
So stick around if you want to learn something, if you want to read/follow you should start by reading the "copypasta" and sources you were so dismissive of and apologizing to the users that went through all the work to compile those wonderful posts specifically for the consumption of uninformed/misinformed liberals like yourself. Aside from just reading the comments under various news posts ask questions, prepare to challenge yourself and be open to accepting that you have been mislead on a vast number of topics by the western capitalist education system.
I would also highly highly recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti and Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paolo Freire
Do you think I have a copypasta prepared for all of my views with cited sources?
Well you seem to think some youtuber should, so what makes you special?
Then I suggest developing real media literacy.
How about you try suspecting western media for once instead of taking US propaganda at face value and loudly parroting it online and getting butthurt when people correct you
What a magnanimous statement, one could almost forget it's being shouted over your shoulder as you run away.
I genuinely wouldn't come back after this burn holy shit
There's a TON of media that corroborates the information
Post one (1) thing then. Literally a single thing. You've said some version of "of course I have sources for my beliefs" in quite a few comments, but every time anyone asks you to post just one, a single source, you refuse, saying something like "you wouldn't believe me anyway". Do you see how that's not convincing? Do you understand how that makes us think you actually haven't really thought through your beliefs and have actually just inherited them from the propaganda environment you exist in?
No, you don't. No, there isn't.
International media eagerly corroborated US allegations of Iraq having WMDs too, that was also a lie. Media you like saying a thing isn't evidence that the thing is real.
If you had actual evidence you could persuade other people who see this post even if you didn't convince me, you're not trying because you have none and you know it.
I absolutely do hate you, you're an arrogant ignorant chauvinistic dipshit, but I take significant comfort in knowing that the impending american century of humiliation will humble you.
If everything is suspect, do you just not read any of it?
Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
Zenz zenz zenz
Of course you trust the shady racist guy lol
China has like half the pollution of us or are you gonna do that thing liberals do where they suddenly don't understand what per capita is when this topic comes up.
I am once again inviting libs to xiaohongshu to see the uyghur culture featured front and center when you search for it. The language, the music, the art, the script, the stories. Did you know there is a made for tv puppet show of nasreddin hoca's stories, known there as Afanti? You can see for yourself, from the comfort of the couch what the Uyghur culture, that is supposedly being erased, features. In a chinese app. Thats predominantly for chinese people. Go look for yourself.
Just fyi this is the ML instance and it’s full of tankies - in case you’re confused by how many people suddenly seem fervently culty about China.
There's nothing "culty" about it you're just being corrected by people who are better educated on the topic than you are
The only group I know of who is as good at ignoring the wealth of evidence to the contrary of their beliefs are MAGA. Your arguments are a lot more complex, I’ll give you that, but it doesn’t make you any less wrong.
No WMDs in Iraq, no genocide in China. Stay stupid patriot!
See that's the difference between you and me - I'm under no illusions about either country.
Lol k, stay stupid patriot
Show us the evidence
"You've got to vet your sources and protect yourself, and this feller looks a little too friendly with them chinese for my liking"
You are exactly the kind of fear-driven peasant brain that would crush village women between rocks because learning to read is clearly witchcraft. You can't prove it, but it just feels scary somehow, you know?
Can you give me an example of a source that has proved their trustworthiness? Perhaps some major newspapers that have spent the last two years lying in support of a genocide?
Bro, this is clearly about more than just ethics in journalism or whatever for you. You saw a guy go on a cruise, make some videos about politics (in our current time, no less) and decided, with no evidence, that he is an agent of the CPC, and that anyone who doesnt see that must just not be as saavy as you. This is some 1960s level white paranoia that you're rationalizing behind a thin screen of "I'm just practicing media scrutiny".
You have to tell yourself this is what I'm saying because even a cursory examination of your own feelings and motives would show your actual position ("this nobody is clearly a chinese spy, do not believe their lies, why does nobody else understand the very specifically chinese danger here) to be one based in imperial fearmongering. I fully expect you to be reporting neighbors to ICE within a couple years at this rate. Like I said, this is clearly about more than media literacy for you: it's about China.
I notice you still haven't been able to name a single reputable news source
A couple of years? This lib is going to be so scratched by being called out for their racism here, they'll be calling ICE within the week.
Someone with literal 0 credibility is still more credible than western media outlets, due to their negative credibility.
Please keep going, this is hilarious
Why should I believe your claim that they are being funded by China? I'm sorry but I reviewed you as a source and determined you to be untrustworthy.
What? No not at all, that makes no actual sense.
The western media having negative credibility is a good reason for China to do nothing at all. Let the west ruin itself with little effort on their part.
You don't need a reputation to present verifiable facts, try watching the video
Didn't say it was propaganda.
Sounds like he's receiving gifts in return for positive Chinese propaganda.
lmao they deleted their account
Sounds like you might be sniffing dog farts for enjoyment. I'm just suggesting the possibility though, I don't know any more than anyone else on that topic.
Idk any more than you do.
that's obvious
They're talking about the propaganda from your own country
I had a youtube account for decades before I started posting anything to it, and guess what: All I post are communist memes!
GASP
My GOD! That can only mean... I'm a Chinese agent holy shit!
You should be more ashamed of yourself, you're a perfect representative of the average american
Because surely the new york times have never fabricated evidence or straight up lied before right?
I'm personally sitting in a Hamas control center underneath a hospital with saddam's weapons of mass destruction, watching footage of the North Vietnamese bombing American ships in the Gulf of Tonkin, and reading a firsthand account of Spanish colonial forces blowing up the USS Maine.
Tell me why the New York Times is a trustworthy source.
Then why don't we see you in the comment sections of the posts for articles about the new york times applying the exact same methodology you've been applying here?
If anything everyone should take what you, a one month old account, that sprang out of nowhere, with a whole mountain of salt grains for any assertion you've put out.
Then name one source you trust and why
It's not a "source"
It's a YouTube video. An opinion. You determine whether that opinion is trustworthy or not by watching the video and seeing if the conclussions he puts forward make sense to you.
Or you can just ignore it and say it isn't true because it's not pre approved by the Cia.
Lmao did you vet all of these comments before reading them too? What if one of them persuaded you?! OMG YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE COMPROMISED
No I actually like being ignorent and closed minded.
You simply think that you cannot be persuaded to believe something that is not true; that you would see through it if that were the case.
Uno reverse, you walking projector
You're wrong and you should learn to accept this.
Also projection. You're so up your own ass you've become an small and dense enough object to tear through the fabric of space and become a blackhole of being an ignorant little shit
Protect yourself, don't allow garbage in.
Your entire worldview is that of a self-contained circulating system of raw sewage. There's literally zero reason to take anything you say with anything but negative credibility and seriousness.
Watch the video and find out, dumbass
Cupcake here didn't vet a single thing. You looked at a subscriber count and the title of the video. Please fuck off forever
Why is it untrust worthy?
You haven't explained to me why you don't trust them, and you haven't actually dismissed any of the video's ideas or claims.
You should watch it. They list all their sources in the video description. If your position is as strong as it is, then it should be able to stand up against this information, and you'll walk away unbroken. You are literally plugging your ears for no reason. The fact that you won't watch it only shows me that you know deep down your position doesn't stand up against critique and fact. If it does, then watch it, tell us about all the things that are incorrect. Review the sources (I've copied them for you because I think you're afraid to look at the video page) and tell us what is propaganda and what is fact, since you are such a highly attuned detector of such things.
Sources:
Meta censorship:
https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and
Twitter censorship:
https://qz.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-transparency-brazil-turkey-tesla-1851656960
Google leaves China:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/why-google-quit-china-and-why-its-heading-back/424482/
Foreign intervention:
https://apnews.com/article/technology-cuba-united-states-government-904a9a6a1bcd46cebfc14bea2ee30fdf
Ukraine:
https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
Romania:
https://www.leefang.com/p/ngos-backing-judicial-coup-in-romania
Georgia:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1795638929837961462
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1794056909672362191
https://x.com/sopjap/status/1886351945083785418
Regime Change:
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202205/08/WS6277847fa310fd2b29e5b4c2.html
American free speech censorship:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/15/mahmoud-khalil-free-speech-civil-liberties
Billionaires owning the news:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/
https://debatingmatters.com/topic/billionaires-owning-media-companies-is-bad-for-democracy/
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/may/03/billionaires-extra-power-media-ownership-elon-musk
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/mar/10/washington-post-ruth-marcus-resigns
Censorship on X
https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/4/24235213/x-brazil-suppression-speech-elon-musk-india-turkey
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-x-influence-uk-us-politics-48cc1870cbdb5df03829f5ab303b579d
https://time.com/6229960/twitter-bans-accounts-elon-musk-impersonators/
Deaths as a result from US
https://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-world-war-ii/5633111
Japan
https://foreignpolicy.com/2005/08/01/think-again-japanese-textbooks/
US is not a democracy
https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Inequality%20and%20Democratic%20Resp/Gilens%202005
https://act.represent.us/sign/the-problem-tmp
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
UK arrests for zoom call
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/19/protest-democracy-labour-tories-laws
China whole process people's democracy”
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202403/1308491.shtml
Chinese democratic perception
https://www.allianceofdemocracies.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/DPI-2024.pdf
Chinese satisfaction with their government
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Chinese polling of its people
https://bigdatachina.csis.org/governance-by-data-how-chinas-party-state-keeps-its-pulse-on-the-people/
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https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1869971055206658177
https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=2374971
https://english.news.cn/20241221/3c3b96bcf7bd43e7b417ef4fd123e0f2/c.html
https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/16/9986
State department and Intelligence working directly with US big tech
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-is-a-tool-of-the-cia-seriously/
Then watch the video and tell us how much of it is bullshit. I'm watching the video right now, it's not difficult to do, you can do it too, you might come away fully assured of your position.
Actually a lot of people have time for that, several of them are here telling you that you're wrong, and you refuse to listen to any of them because your head is so far up your ass you can't see daylight
So you won't trust sources that aren't "vetted", and you refuse to vet them yourself: how, then, do you even establish the trust you seek?
"the creator of the video is able to cherry-pick their information and weave it into the narrative that they want"
Its called an essay. You take primary and secondary sources, and then weave them together with arguments to persuade a point. You also provide all your sources so people can fact check your assertions based on the facts you've provided. Typically you need to read/listen to the essay. Then if you find their arguments unpersuasive, or fishy you check their sources and reply (you don't literally have to, it can be just for yourself) using their own sources against them, or your own sources and arguments that dispute their claims. Its the essence of critical thinking, genius.
So you do not consume any media that isn't from a source you have already deemed to be "trustworthy" ahead of time.
Have you ever heard of the term "information bubble"
How does somebody establish trust with somebody else who refuses to investigate?
Lol right, gotta protect yourself from the wrongthink by ignoring all evidence that disagrees with you
I have 4 channels I don't use that have basically no content on them but are a decade old. Why do you think this shit matters?
At any point in time I might turn them into channels for any kind of content, you will only scream that it's propaganda if the content I start producing is about China though because you're a racist. If it's any other subject that suddenly appears on a 10 year old account you just won't care.
You think everything is something sinister instead of considering the fact that it's almost certainly not. Almost anyone here might do the same with old accounts they have, why is that a problem?
Sounds like he's receiving gifts in return for positive Chinese propaganda.
lmao why the fuck do you think this is necessary when there's literally hundreds of thousands of marxists who believe in the communist future that would do it for free? You don't seem to understand communists at all. You've so heavily bought into the koolaid of capitalism that you can't even wrap your head around the idea that communists don't need monetary incentives to do things to promote communism. "Everyone must be getting paid because getting paid is the only reason anyone does anything!" is the principle contradiction that makes you mis-analyse everything, it's one of many reasons why capitalists will certainly lose, your belief in capitalism makes you fundamentally misjudge reality. How can you ever hope to win if you can't analyse reality correctly?
You're chasing ghosts. Things that do not exist. Ethereal non-existent payments to do communist propaganda. While you're chasing these ghosts you're completely failing to counter the real thing going on - that there are hundreds of thousands of us willing to do it for free. You miss this completely and entirely fail to counter it because your belief in capitalism is so complete that you can only imagine someone needing to be paid to do this.
Ironically capitalists can't ever fix this. Your propaganda itself makes you this way. Your belief in capitalism makes you this way. If you didn't believe in the fact everyone needs monetary incentives to do anything then you wouldn't be capitalists at all. It fucking dooms you.
Apt way to describe it. They're telling ghost stories. Tall tales under a upward pointed flashlight.
Is China in the room with us right now?
yes dude, the 30k sub youtube channel is getting sponsored trips to China 😂
The westoid brain is so broken it thinks that the only way anyone can have a positive opinion of a country's government is if that government is paying them.
I love the leap from:
It's as absurd as me posting about a new bike, posting that I like the Steelers, and then someone concluding that Mike Tomlin must be paying me under the table for positive press.
damn i need to go to trinity college in dublin
cry harder
They cried so hard that they deleted their month old account 🤷
Lmfao, hope they crawled back to reddit
It's probably healthy for them to take a step away from social media and go touch grass for a while.
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