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Nazism is just a form of capitalism
Nazism is just a form of capitalism
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Capitalism per se still offers you the chance to buy fair and sustainable products. Nazism did not offer you the chance to save jews without risking your own life.
Therefore nazism is worse.
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Nazism is of course worse than normal Capitalism, but they are the same thing underneath, reacting to different circumstances. Nazism is a Capitalist response to left wing organization in order to violently suppress it, and ensure the existing ruling class does not lose power.
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Nazism is a Capitalist response to left wing organization in order to violently suppress it, and ensure the existing ruling class does not lose power.
Well, not exactly. I can see why many of us have this oversimplified view of Fascism (it was my own for a while), but as respectable as our numbers were in the Kingdom of Italy and the Weimar Republic, we were still too minor to ensure a revolution. Rather, preventing capitalism’s collapse by any means necessary—saving it from its own contradictions—was the ruling class’s main motive for institutionalizing Fascism. Listen to this monologue by Michael Parenti or read Daniel Guerin’s Fascism and Big Business for the details.
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Would it be accurate to say that suppressing left wing movements is a part of that defense from its own contradictions, or is that tangential to it?
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It is part of the defense, yes, because our movements were responsible for achieving the concessions that the Fascists had to undo.
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Gotcha. I appreciate the correction on my PoV, that does seem a more complete view of fascism. I had elsewhere described it more as Capitalism in "different circumstances," ie when it needs to be especially brutal to protect itself and pretend that it isn't still Capitalism, and I think that's closer to what you're saying here.
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But it looks insane and out of touch too make posts where it suggests both are the same
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It suggests that they are the same system in different circumstances. We pin the sins of Capitalism on "Nazism" whenever Capitalism puts on the Nazi mask, and when it takes it back off we pretend the underlying system is different. The victims of Nazism are also victims of Capitalism, but the victims of Capitalism are not necessarily victims of Nazism.
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Neoliberalism nuked hiroshima and nagasaki its actually the one that is worse
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Please explain to me, how neoliberalism lead to nuking the japanese cities.
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World War II was largely the case of unfinished contradictions left over from World War I, which itself was a war between Imperialist countries over which land they could freely exploit, so that's a direct Capitalist link. Further, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only nuked because the US didn't want the Soviet Union to gain even more post-war credibility, having just nearly single handedly defeated the Nazis (80% of all combat in World War II was on the Eastern Front). Without a fear of Japan possibly turning Socialist, the US would not have nuked Japan.
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I learned different things in history class, but whatever, i don‘t want to start another discussion. Still, this does not explain how neoliberalism led to that.
Apart from that: according to Wikipedia around 250.000 people died from the atomic bombs, compared to 6 million who were murdered in the Holocaust… So I am still not convinced by your arguments.
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I wouldn't attribute everything leading up to the dropping of nukes to Neoliberalism (misread the comment as Capitalism and not Neoliberalism), but it did arise in the 1930s as a response to the Great Depression, and was beginning to influence even more Anticommunism. The famous Neoliberal idea of "there is no alternative," which would still arrive later, but the core seeds were there.
Nobody here is saying Nazism is not worse than normal Capitalism, but that both are largely the same thing in different circumstances.
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As far as I know, liberalism led to the Great Depression which led to the rise of Keynesianism. Only when the ideas of liberalism became more popular again (during the 70s under Thatcher) they were referred to as _neo_liberal.
Still, i find the idea that capitalism per se is worse than nazism not only wrong but also stupid and insulting to the victims of the Holocaust. This of course does not excuse the exploitation and other crimes comitted in the name of profit maximization!
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Not a single person here has said that Capitalism is worse than Nazism, but that they are the same underlying system in different circumstances.
I think if you want to have a genuine conversation with others here, you need to start with an honest reading of their comments, not trying to see them as apologizing for Nazism. Far from it, the goal is to attack Capitalism in general, including it's Nazi form.
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I think you have a point when you say that capitalism and nazism have similar root causes.
With the other things: whatever. I still rather live in a capitalist system than in a nazi-system and i interpret the meme in a way that it wants to play down the magnitude of evilness of nazism by doubting that its far worse than capitalism.
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Not even similar root causes, but are the same system. Nazism functions as a self-defense mechanism for Capitalism. This meme isn't downplaying anything, but showing that the differences between the two are not as large as pretended by supporters of Capitalism.
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In capitalism thats not in decay, the extermination happens in the colonies, so the real question is would you rather live in a capitalist colony or a nazi state. I'd hate both equally, I guess.
But if you live in a colonialist state you benefit from colonialism which is essentially large scale nazism
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Usa is the only country that nuked civilians and it runs on neoliberalism
It takes a huge amount of inhumanness to nuke civilians. The only ideology capable of producing this evil is neoliberalism.
Edit: oh I forgot settlerism. Settlerism is maximum evil. But neoliberalism was made in a lab for maximum oppression which is also maximum evil.
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