US House votes to force weapons shipments to Israel, rebuking Biden

www.reuters.com /world/us/us-house-votes-force-weapons-shipments-israel-rebuking-biden-2024-05-16/

The Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Thursday that would force President Joe Biden to send weapons to Israel, seeking to rebuke the Democrat for delaying bomb shipments as he urges Israel to do more to protect civilians during its war with Hamas.

The Israel Security Assistance Support Act was approved 224 to 187, largely along party lines. Sixteen Democrats joined most Republicans in voting yes, and three Republicans joined most Democrats in opposing the measure.

The act is not expected to become law, but its passage underscored the deep U.S. election-year divide over Israel policy as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government seeks to wipe out militants who attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing around 1,200 people and seizing 253 hostages, according to Israeli tallies.

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So we can definitely say Republicans support genocide harder than Democrats, right? Like this whole debate is over, right? Right?
- Was that ever a serious debate?
  Yes. Republicans are worse.
  Doesn’t make Biden “good”. This isn’t a hallmark whodunnit.
  
  I was told once on here that Trump would be better for the Palestinians because if Trump was in office the Democrats would fight it harder. Which is the dumbest logic I've ever heard in my life.
  
  . . . yeah. that is pretty dumb.
  
  The serious debate is defeating trump. I think that’s the only, actual, debate.
  Constantly shitting on Biden and discouraging participation is not helpful. And it is constant.
  
  So at what point does Biden cross a line for you?
  At what point is lessor of two evils evil enough to say “maybe we find someone else,”?
  I would have thought genocide, but whatever. Guess we get to be the bad guys.
  
  What point? When there’s more than six months between now and the collapse of democracy in America.
  How - how? - do you expect to find and run somebody else? Alien invasion, okay. Time-skip-wormhole-dealy, I could see that. But in real life? Not bloody likely.
  
  What a convenient excuse to support a genocide.
  
  Da
  
  Maybe not here, but on other bigger social media sites it was definitely the narrative.
  
  It's the narrative here too. "both sides just as bad"
  
  There was an article a day or two ago about Biden approving a $1 billion arm package to Israel. He also condemned the university protests. He's also been defending Israel at the UN. This is barely anything.
  Criticizing Biden doesn't mean Trump doesn't suck. It just means people expect better of Biden. If Mussolini and Hitler were on the ballot you couldn't expect people to be excited for Mussolini.
  
  Comparing Trump and Biden to Hitler and mussolini. Yeah, that's a both sides moment
- So then there is no excuse for Biden to take a harder stance against Israel since it's a partisan issue right?
  
  That doesn't even make any sense. You think Democrats oppose things solely because the Republicans support them? That's childish and stupid. Republicans do that, because they're childish and stupid. Democrats do not.
- Why only 2 choices? We need a proper left party and not corporate fake Democrat
  
  I feel like we've had this particular conversation several times lately in the public sphere. There can only be two parties in the presidential race. You'll have to co-opt one of them from within to effect change.
- 40 is definitely higher than 10 but if its a failing score then you still deserve criticism. the debate was never about republicans. It's asinine to claim that criticism of Biden and democrats is automatically "Both sides are the same" material
  
  The "debate" is just dumb people egged on by foreign actors chanting "genocide joe genocide joe" which is such a Trumpian phrase it should be extremely obvious it originated from the Kremlin.
  
  Ya that's the only reason people wouldn't like Biden's full throated support for a conservative apartheid ethnostate murder of tens of thousands of civilians, women and children, included, and even American aide workers.
  It's like the Democrat version of the conspiracy theory that Biden stole the election. It requires a very active refusal to see the other side nor even believe they exist.
  
  There it is
  
  Lol I could say the same thing. Stop blaming foreign actors that you've made up and start pushing Biden to be better. Maybe he'll change by the election, I bet he would with enough pressure, and you could have him beat Trump without having to contort yourself into supporting a genocide while still somehow thinking you're morally superior.
- I'm not even entirely sure the Republicans would be terribly bothered by that characterization.
- Mmmmm... Supporting genocide is sort of like being pregnant... You either are or you aren't. There's no acceptable level of supporting genocide. Or apartheid... Or pretty much anything Israel has done to the Palestinian people in the last 75ish years
  
  That's not even close to true. More people will die under a GOP administration. That's not equal.

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