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Dé-fédération de hexbear

jlai.lu hexbear.net, il faut qu'on en parle. - jlai.lu

Je suis le seul qui a un problème avec cette instance? Il se sont fédérés récemment à la plupart des grosses instances, et à chaque fois que je vois leur commentaires sur certains fils de lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] (par exemple), ça me semble assez probable qu’ils sont liés au PCC. https://jlai.lu/p...

L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

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  • I also support it. This crying fascist has no place in the fediverse. They'll contribute nothing to any of our discussions and even in their tantrum post it's just the same generic

    conspiracy theories about everything being secret non-white plots against them. Why bother federating with a community that allows them?

    • Fash are not welcome here. If you have any relevant posts to share, report them.

    • Hello @Cowbee@lemmy.ml,

      I know you are usually quite positive about hexbear, what do you think about the comment above?

      • From a google translate of the post, it looks like general vague slander from OP, even other instance users are asking for examples from OP.

        The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).

        • Yeah, it has been pointed out below indeed.

          On the other hand, while OP should indeed provide answers, why would HappyBadger accuse this instance of being fascist? OP only made a proposition, and other instance members immediately asked for evidence to support that proposal.

          • You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.

            I accused this user of being a fascist. If 12 people are seated at a table with 1 fascist, tell me how many fascists are seated at that table.

            This user is a fascist because they're doing the same generic anticommunism routine that all of the right-wing forums do. Create an anticommunist hysteria around a nonsensical boogeyman, widen the net as the next person they disagree with is also part of the sneaky non-white conspiracy against them, ratchet the community rightward. That specific process is why reddit is reddit. If someone's doing the same old trick on the Fediverse, I don't care if it's this forum with 8 monthly users I've never seen before or Lemmy.world/Lemm.ee with fresh content feeds. It attracts the same people and ends in the same place.

            This goober thinks they're being gangstalked by Russian spies because someone on the internet disagreed with 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝒾𝓇 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃. Before you clutch your pearls about me calling them a fascist, the first question you should be asking is what that position is and what's so offensive about the Hexbear stance on it. Generally if we hate someone or something there's a pretty good reason for it.

            • Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.

              Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

              • You've convinced everyone with an attention span too short to read their comment and believe they can get the gist by reading the shorter response.

                Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.

                Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven't seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.

                • Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven’t seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.

                  The point is that there is no argument in the first place, no one here intends to defederate from hexbear, and you and your mates coming here aggressively and acting like unhinged assholes unprompted in a meta-instance discussion does not help.

                  This post is just OP having his jimmies rumbled and asking if because of it if can cut one of the oldest instance from our fedlist.

                  • For someone now saying there isn't an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.

                    You've got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.

                    All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.

                    • For someone now saying there isn’t an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.

                      You’ve got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.

                      You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?

                      All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.

                      I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.

                      • You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?

                        See? You literally just say shit that has no connection to reality. Here you claim to read. You have proven to everyone that you do not. Not only by your ignorant handling of the original comment you replied to, but also now by ignoring both my statement and reasoning behind pointing out that you DO NOT adapt your tone to the one you're responding to!

                        Nothing you say means anything because everything you say is predetermined by your attitude alone. You don't read. Even if you did it would have no effect on what your opinion or response is. It has been shown now twice.

                        I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.

                • Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.

                  Ah oui quand même

                  • J'ai pas vu d'aussi beau troll depuis des années. Faut dire que je suis devenu bon à les éviter mais notre pauvre admin vient de se prendre celui en plein le coin de l’œil.

                    • "Pauvre" admin. C'est un des meilleurs ippon de jlai.lu, un Teddy Reiner, amha ça le gonfle et l'amuse 😁

              • Everyone I don't agree with is on drugs (which makes them an inferior person not worth listening to), a definitely-not-fascist bedtime story for smug internet liberals.

                • To be fair I'd love to write ketamine-fueled rants but it costs like $500 for a dose here. The best I can offer is coffee and sometimes-cannabis-fueled.

                • Not only do I disagree with OP and therefore agree with with your mate, but I don't have any issue with drug use.

                  My issue is with the fact that ketamine fulled drivel is not the best way to communicate with people and be correctly understood, speaking from experience.

                  • Nah, that's the kind of weak dodge I would use back when I was a liberal casually saying ghoulish dork shit. If you use "ur prolly on drugs lol" to dismiss the argument of someone who is speaking with perfect clarity, you're just being a little snotty fuck looking for any excuse not to take in scary new information that might make you feel bad.

              • Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you’re defending.

                Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

                👍

              • ketamine fulled diatribe

                Everyone that disagrees with me must be on drugs or a russian puppet or mentally ill.

                Fuck all the way off. Go ahead defederate, clearly nothing of value is lost.

              • Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.

                Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

                I already said I want to defederate with you. You get a pass on engaging with this comment because English is your second language.

                • You're not leaving me, I'm leaving you!

                  • I would have made my own post first but didn't know you exist until this post. Then I agreed with it. A more apt analogy would be getting a random text saying "I'm breaking up with you" and replying "ok".

                    • An actually apt analogy would be one of your theater club mate receiving a text advising to leave the theater club because it's full of dubious people, your mate saying "lol no", and you sending a 10 pages pamphlet to the friend sending the text accusing them to be a fascist, completely unprompted.

                      • The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them is on the same forum as the person who uses "tanky" as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks. I would ask how you see yourself ideologically, but you aren't making a good case for not being a fascist forum so that definition wouldn't mean much. Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with tankies and Asian conspiracies? Not the left-wing ones.

              • It is priceless to call someone else terminally online and then use the word "tanky"

            • You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.

              I asked Cowbee because we had been discussing recently how interactions between Hexbear and other instances sometimes play out, so I thought it would be relevant to have their perspective on this example.

              About the rest of your arguments, seems to have been addressed in this comment: https://hexbear.net/post/3694795/5510986

          • The linked post is ableist, it uses the word MAGA---- as a derogatory term, and there are conspiracy theories about CPC connection, as well as general anticommunism, which is linked to fascism historically (I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds).

            The comment accused the user of fascism, not necessarily the instance.

            • Hello,

              Thank you for commenting here.
              The linked post is there for context, no decision was made at the time, we remained federated with hexbear. We are going to ask the author of that post to edit it.

              For OP, not sure if things got lost in translation, but their point was that "Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc… I think that, in my humble opinion, their behavior and their ways of brigading and defaming an opinion that diverges only slightly from their current of thought, sincerely goes against the state of mind of our community on this instance."

              So the CPC theories are irrelevant, as OP is strictly referring about brigading

              Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

              • I have no interest in debating the broader issue, but your bolding here is silly:

                Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…

                The idea of us being connected to either group is a harebrained conspiracy theory, so I think speaking of it as though it is credible while saying you won't talk about it is classic apophasis, i.e. a rhetorical device for making insinuations about something you want to denigrate while dodging responsibility for doing so.

              • That adds clarification. My understanding is that interaction between this instance and Hexbear is limited to begin with due to the French language barrier, ergo brigading doesn't make sense as a defederation reason, but this isn't my instance. I do have a Hexbear account, so obviously I am pro-Hexbear.

                Not sure why this deserves to be qualified as fascist.

                Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

                • Fascism and anticommunism are twins, I recommend checking out the book I linked.

                  It's been a while that I've read it but iirc that's not what is described in the book due to the difference in intent.

                  Anticommunism is born from the ruling/fascist adjacent class to misled less politicized people by manufacturing false consciousness. While anticommunism materialistically helps capitalism and fascism, this is not the intent of the anticommunists, while it is the overt goal of the fascists.

                  A dumbass being anticommunist because of gaslighting is fundamentally different from someone being an actual fascist. The former will still be able to change his mind, the latter won't because it's usually coming from it's material interest.

                  Saying they are twins is not only a misleading, but it also hides the different mechanisms between anticommunism and fascism.

                  • Fascism is Capitalism in decay. As Capitalism decays, Communist sentiment rises, and Capitalism employs its defensive mechanism, fascism, against it. The largest sources of anticommunism come from the same place as fascism, they aren't the same, but they are twins. That's my point.

      • Oh! Let me guess what your problem with that comment is!

        "Pointing out racism is uncivil and deserves undivided scorn"

        My guess is influenced by the fact that there isn't much else to have a problem with

      • What are you whining about specifically? What about that comment isn't to your liking?

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