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While I shouldn't weigh in too much, especially post-hoc, I could've told you that having TC69 back as a mod or admin was a very bad idea.
As important TC69 was (and from a legacy perspective is) to creating an aggressively positive trans culture, she, for better and worse, acts incredibly narcissistically when she is placed into positions of power, and more importantly, in my opinion, she is/was ideologically incoherent as moderator. You cannot simultaneously say 'its just a website' while also banning people for small indiscretions or personal beef. After all, 'it's just a website' why should the moderators care that much? She tends to take so much shit that goes on here personally and yet expects nobody else to.
A poor decision unless you enjoy drama.
- they, for better and worse, act incredibly narcissistically
  I think the whole "cult of personality" thing feeds into it. Coming back after years and being made an admin immediately while being lauded as our Stalin and all that, I don't think it helped. And she wasn't in anyway ready to handle that struggle session either, let's just say mistakes were made.
  
  The big issue is that the cult grew in her absence, as when she was admin she was an incredibly controversial admin for the community, and it would have been fine if she wasn't granted admin immediately. But 'TC69 thought' has, over the years, mostly been distilled into the good parts of it (which are unequivocally good) with the more problematic aspects forgotten or memeified.
  
  For a long while the "TC69 thought" joke made me angry. Took a year or so before I felt neutral about it and a bit more before I started being able to join in. I thought we all recknognised it was ironic.
  
  It's true that TC69 was always divisive. But the reason she is so fondly remembered is that in the big picture she was pretty much always right. Idk, I think her timing was just bad mostly. She came back right when the worst struggle session in a long time was kicking off and tried to take control of the situation after it spiraled out of control. I definitely don't think she read the room very well in how she did that, but also she was less established here and people were prepared to think the worst. Probably would have been better if she had come back as a regular user for a while before trying to be an admin again
  
  But the reason she is so fondly remembered is that in the big picture she was pretty much always right
  I don't really agree with this. The reason she is remembered fondly is because a lot of users who disliked her schtick left - and that wasn't just transphobes. She made the site way less inclusive for ND people, she made it a hostile space where you were unsure about what was going on. This turned people off. When she made her first "I'm leaving" post there were plenty of people celebrating it - and getting banned for it.
  This was the basic cycle of TC69 handling any issue the end result was that she banned people until they no longer complained. Thinking that if you hear no issue, there is no issue. This is certainly true, but it also means you lose a lot of people. ~~The way the VCJ thing was handled was fucking abysmal.~~
  I'm glad she made it a better place for trans people who she liked. I'm sad she was not interested in just making the site a better place.
  edit: Others who remember the VCJ thing better have corrected me.
  
  I actually must politely disagree. The VCJ mistakes were all made at the beginning by other people and TC69 came in at the end after multiple admin resignations, including dev admin resignations, and did clean up. It was very bleak. People genuinely were not sure if the whole site was done. The only way that fire got put out is that a whole bunch of people who couldn't stop fighting got banned. I myself was probably an ass hair away from getting banned, but managed to shut the fuck up. IMO she tried to do the same here and did not pull it off.
  
  Tbh I wasn't around for the very start of the VCJ thing, so I can't speak to that. I'd come back from a break. I've edited it
  
  I was here for the whole thing
  
  The way the VCJ thing was handled was fucking abysmal.
  And then people revise history to pretend that vegans were perfectly happy until VCJ showed up when that absolutely was not the case.
  
  I sadly had been away and then came back in the midst of the VCJ thing, so I don't know what was going on in the time leading up to it. But yeah we do love revising history here, it's another bad trait.
  
  I remembered that a few months ago I grabbed some old links from the debacle, for a bit of context.
  Edit: would probably help if I remembered to include the link
  https://hexbear.net/comment/5319994
  
  But the reason she is so fondly remembered is that in the big picture she was pretty much always right.
  I don't think this is true but her tactic of "criticize my decisions and I'll ban you" makes it seem that way after the fact.
  
  I don't think they helped matters or anything but afaik she just handed out bunch of temp bans
  
  I meant 3 years ago.
  
  When I say right in the big picture I mean that while not everyone she banned three years ago deserved it, the site was better after all the she people she banned were banned
  
  I don't think that supports "she was pretty much always right"

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