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Something 72T mentioned in their selfcrit
This was not just my own isolated belief - other moderators who pay closer attention to the broader site culture than I do (as I stay in the news mega 95% of the time) were adamant that these changes be made, as they have repeatedly said that comrades from certain minority groups have been turned off from joining or staying on the site due to the site culture.
How exactly do we know this about the joining part? And how much of “site culture” is being misconstrued by liberals on other parts of lemmy? It’s no secret that other lemmy instances lie like anything else about here.
- Yknow what deterred me from joining the first time?
  A tagline
  When you don't know how the site works, decide to check it out, and the first thing you see is a rabid liberal raging about how much they hate hexbear... well
  I probably thought the site got hacked or something
  
  Then that's a far more pertinent thing to change than the TDT's.
  Should be an option that's visibility is off by default and can only be turned on in account settings.
  
  The taglines are in-jokes, so it really should just be a thing for users to see. Telling an in-joke at someone who isn't in usually just confuses
  
  I'm gonna miss the taglines, but yeah this isn't the first time I'm hearing about it. There's been a few new users who have posted something like "what's this?"
  Maybe we should let the taglines be hyperlinks to some place that explains it's an injoke. Maybe we should just let them be off. Maybe they should be gone entirely, though I'd really miss them.
  
  I like this, only show them if you're logged in
  
  That might really make new users think something's been hacked!
  
  An automated welcome message sent to their inbox to try to onboard them could be nice.
  
  Someone's initial visit should be disorienting and alienating
  
  That's how you know you're on the right track to finding the portal to the 00s internet.
  
  As somebody who loves the taglines, this makes a lot of sense. It should be a toggle setting on accounts over a certain age maybe, that way you get a taste of the culture and intro to what some of them mean before you get met with some dumb liberal shit
- the things that stop me telling people to come here are not the dunk tanks or that type of culture. this being such an insular place with an often defensive mindset does a lot more to removedoff new people who don't know the party line* yet does a lot more than 'they shit on random nazis'
  *I do not mean liberals and bigots, I mean leftists. ofc there's no place for scum here
- I can say for myself that i have friends who are trans, leftist and who i still wouldn't recommend the site to simply because the vibe doesn't fit them at all. I honestly don't know if i would join if i discovered Hexbear now and hadn't gotten used to our culture since the last days of r/chapotraphouse. In spite of the struggle session i'd still say we've gotten better on things like irony poisoning, edgyness, misanthropy and debate pervertry, but the place can still be pretty crass at times and we tend to be extremely hostile to people who aren't part of our niche culture. That's just not something everybody vibes with. And in spite of our anti-sectarian stance, this is largely an ML space that can be hard to navigate for Anarchists, DemSocs, classical Marxists and Trots. It's kinda grim at times and not a space that's very welcoming to a lot of the most caring and sweet socialists i know.
  I'm not saying that we should transform the site in a way that fixes these issues. I don't know if they even should be fixed, and i'm saying this as somebody who is herself firmly in the "Hexbear is a safer space" camp, who has blocked comms like the dunk tank and fakenews since forever, who largely stays out of struggle sessions and who only browses by local because i don't want to be part of dunkfests with the rest of the lemmyverse, or even interact with it in the first place. That's my stance, but i'm very aware that we have a sizeable userbase who sees all of these things very differently and is vehemently opposed to changing our site culture. And looking back at the last days, i think it's better when we find a synthesis here instead of forcing a transformation of the site.

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