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I don't think this is the last time this situation will erupt, if nothing changes about how moderation is handled and how site changes are handled.
Keeping the two comms open just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Not kicking the mods who wrote that shit out is also a bad sign, for the direction this whole thing is headed.
I would really recommend that mod discussions aren't anonymous anymore. Have the matrix board or whatever it is, but make it so everyone can go and look what is being posted, just like with the modlog. The only time discussions should be anonymous, should be when there is a risk to operational security, and not a vague risk, an actual one. It should also be announced whenever those anonymous discussions take place and explained why they have to be anonymous.
Early in the site days we went away from displaying which mod took an action in the modlog, and just blaming everything on automod. I think reverting that would go a very long way to bust a lot of this cliquey shit.
When users notice certain users get special treatment, they get banned for commenting on it, until the situation becomes so egregious that it cannot be hidden anymore. Not allowing the userbase to call out bad mod practice, is also not good. We've closed both userunion and feedback because the mods don't like the "drama" - Getting called out for shitty behaviour. We really need a comm where the userbase is free to voice concerns and grievances. That would also go a long way towards avoiding these situations in the future. And this time mods shouldn't remove posts just because they dislike them, that's pissbaby shit.
Edit: Please don't step down because you feel like you've done wrong. If you ever do step down, let it be because you need time away, not because of some dumbass strugglesession, the site would be worse off without you. Especially in the middle of this shitstorm.
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I don't want to lose one of our most visible, transparent admins. I don't know the rest from a bar of soap let alone the others who were yucking ut up like old pals in the 1.2k comment prior thread. L for public relations and makes the site management even more opaque imo
Edit: it's not like we were calling for their head or anything either :/ igi if they want to step fown but still :(
Yeah there's been one good admin and that's been carcosa. One person who has done an incredible job of actually letting this site be transparent, despite there being an obvious clique who just wants to run it all like their shitty little mean girl clubhouse
I don't know the rest from a bar of soap let alone the others who were yucking it up like old pals in the 1.2k comment prior thread. L for public relations and makes the site management even more opaque imo
yeah, this is an unfortunate (but potentially unavoidable?) side effect of how we're doing admin anonymity, only very outspoken admins become familiar to the community, even if the rest have been here the whole time, which I believe most have, none of us feel like we know them.
the gags in the old thread I thought were mostly funny/fine but the overall point of "I don't know these people" stands
Struck me as a bit tone deaf/assumed familiarity (even though they're essentially the same people who'd be posting alongside us on alts) given the context. Also that jt was only the recently appointed admin coming in to comment with none of the others responsible for the decision just highlighted their absence. I know this is internet drama but it's left a serious sour taste in my mouth :/
Struck me as a bit tone deaf/assumed familiarity
yeah fair
Also that jt was only the recently appointed admin coming in to comment with none of the others responsible for the decision just highlighted their absence.
I think a lot of this has just been messy because of timezones tbh. the other admin accounts are pretty much inactive, and carcosa can't be online 24/7
I think a lot of this has just been messy because of timezones tbh. the other admin accounts are pretty much inactive, and carcosa can't be online 24/7
Also fair
carcosa can't be online 24/7
I don't know if I'll be able to respond to all of this and I suppose most of it isn't relevant to me as I will consider returning to the admin team and even to continue making announcements here and there but I am going to step away from decision-making. I brought these mods onto the team, I set up the decision-making process, I drafted the statement and made the final edit on the follow-up comment. I believe there needs to be accountability and me allowing the old & new admins to take the site forward is an appropriate consequence.
You don't need to respond to anything in my post, no worries. There's a whole thread calling for your return.
Carcosa you are too good. I hope you will step back into decision making, but I understand your thought process. I disagree with it. There should be accountability, but you've been held accountable. You've offered to step down, and you've been dunked on like none other. Not every mistake needs to be punished with drastic consequences, I know this will be a learning experience and to be frank I'd rather have you involved in the process, instead of someone who will then have to make the same experience themselves. You are knowledgeable and your input is valuable, it would be a shame not to be able to draw on that for the big and small decisions.
If some mod is gonna remove this for fed-jacketing, just give me a heads-up instead and I'll edit out the obvious joke
Guess what
Chickenbutt?
Exactly 💯
:sweat: anyway I edited it
Edit: Moved to be it's own post, not a response in the thread
Seriously, this is completely fine.
I have some qualms, but honestly don't have the energy or desire to relitigate it in this thread. Hard agree about them being a good admin
I would have phrased it more or less the same myself, had I been in carcosas position, because I expect that phrasing would be the most likely to get them to go along with it.
capitulating to liberals in this way is kinda like the old quote about nonviolence, it only works if your enemy has a conscience, and most liberals have none.
But yeah, I don't think it was horrible or malicious, just the timing made for a bad look. carcosa said as much, and I'm satisfied with that acknowledgement, I wish they would stay.
Yeah that's a fine way of going about it
Yeah I would do that too in order to get someone from a hostile instance to help me out. I lie all the time in my day to day life when I interact with people I have to convince to do something. That's what you do.