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So why work for communism if it's inevitable?
- because it's the end of capitalism that's inevitable, not communism. we could also wind up with the common ruin of the contending classes and a dead world
  
  Hmm. Okay, so capitalism will drive us to extinction unless stopped?
  
  Not necessarily extinction, but certainly ruin. It’s already doing that with the climate crisis, but even if we could make that magically disappear today, the contradictions of capitalism lead only to a) the overthrow of capitalism and the capitalist class by the workers (socialism/communism) or b) the capitalist class resorts to ultraviolence to maintain its power and brings ruination to society (fascism)
  
  You don't think small appeasement of the masses is possible? I think the apparatus has gotten pretty good at giving just enough comfort that it's too much work to shift the status quo.
  
  concessions have been increasingly off the table since 1991
  https://redsails.org/concessions/
  
  It has been possible so far in the imperial core, owing to superprofits gained by exploiting the workers of other countries outside of the imperial core. However, the inherent contradictions of capitalism like the tendency of the rate of profit to fall mean that this can’t be sustained indefinitely, especially not once the third world shakes off the imperialists and refuses to be exploited any longer.
  
  Capitalism is doing such a great job mitigating climate change.
- Because the entire theory of change is struggle
  
  But why struggle for it? If it's going to happen anyways, may as well do what's best for yourself and not stick your head up.
  
  Because I'm not a lib like you.
  But seriously, the point i was making was not about inevitability. It was making a distinction that Marxism as an ideology is based on scientific principles (this was a differentiation from early utopian socialists). We believe in theory, practice, and refinement of theory informed by practice.
  While i as an individual believe that communism is morally correct, that belief is immaterial from the truth that Marxism illuminates
  
  So how does the truth Marxism illuminates determine policy decisions?
  
  Can you rephrase the question? Are you asking how Marxists in positions of power, like in the former USSR or China use Marxism to determine policy?
  
  Is this you being proud about being a coward?

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