Federation Check-in vote completed

Hello users of Hexbear,

I wanted to make this post to inform you that hexbear will be temporarily changing to requiring an application for new users. This will stay in effect until after the upcoming pictrs version, and the development of additional mod tooling.

After many complaints mods may begin removing Yakub memes as well as any explicit comment asking a user to post hog, the difference is that while "post hog" is allowed with extreme prejudice commenting "show us your tiny penis" is not allowed, removals will be subject to moderator discretion.

In addition, we would like to reiterate that Hexbear is a space for all our comrades, even if you may not understand their experience, please refrain from labeling a fellow user a wrecker or troll. Using conditions as a pejorative is not allowed, please engage in good-faith and remember the human!

Finally I wanted to hear the user's thoughts, opinions, comments, and proposals regarding Hexbear's recent federation with other lemmy instances.

There are two mod based proposals that I wish to open voting on:

Should we add sh.itjust.works to the hexbear.net/instances allow-list
Should we remove lemm.ee from the hexbear.net/instances allow-list

Use

to vote for removing lemm.ee from the allow-list 11

Use

to vote for adding sh.itjust.works to the allow-list 111

Use

to vote for keeping the allow-list as is (lemm.ee on the list and sh.itjustworks off the list) 60

As always thank you to the moderators and users for making this place amazing!

Votes as of Aliveelectricwire please correct me if my count is wrong.

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i can't say my experience browsing this website has improved since this whole 'federation' business. i type 'hexbear.net' in my internet browser expecting to see posts from that website, but instead i see a bunch of posts from a different website called 'Lemmy' filled with some of the most reddit-brained people outside of reddit. (nevermind that half the posts are meta-posts about the site itself) i just wanna browse hexbear, dammit!
if i wanted to browse those other websites i would just do that.
- This is self inflicted and I wish there weren't people in every one of these threads pretending it's not.
  The default if you are logged out is to view only Local posts. The default for new user accounts, if I'm not mistaken, is also to view only local posts, the only reason you are seeing lib shit from other instances is because you selected All instead of Local. you can change it back to Local on your user settings page. They rarely wander in to our comms, even more rarely do such posts survive unscathed. Looking at the front page rn there is one meta post about a bug in lemmy, and one post from a lemmy.ml anarchist, every other post is 100% homegrown. I'd also recommend sorting by hot because currently Active is just a struggle session factory.
  If the real issue is that you have to even hear about lemmy libs or see their posts screencapped in the dunk tank sometimes, idk how that's any worse than hearing complaining about
  and twitter all the time like we used to/still kinda do. but that is at least understandable, its just that most of us don't mind it and think federation is worthwhile, or at least a good laugh
  
  This is self inflicted and I wish there weren't people in every one of these threads pretending it's not.
  you can change the sorting all you'd like but the site feel has definitely changed since federation and pretending it hasn't doesn't serve anyone. it loads slower, threads are more concentrated, etc. some of the changes you may enjoy but pretending it's all the same if you just flip a switch is nonsense.
  
  Of course, it's changed, not all for the better, but that wasn't what I was responding to nor the focus of the original comment... They specifically were complaining about seeing posts from other websites. That part, I maintain, is self inflicted.
  it loads slower
  yeah this is likely true, but its pretty tolerable (at least on my devices), but the old code was unmaintainable, the people who wrote most of it sailed off into the sunset, and it was literally tanking the site on a regular basis for months on end with the horrible database optimizations, and that was even with bunker mode limiting it to 2 months of history or whatever it was. Plus god only knows what security flaws were lurking in the ancient version of the lemmy backend we used to run.
  threads are more concentrated
  I might be misinterpreting but I'm guessing this is about the "struggle session effect" of the new Active sort? That is my biggest gripe with the site post-modernization for sure, so I agree it's an issue, but the admins say the (few remaining, or is it just one?) devs are working on it, and that the way the old Active sort was implemented isn't easily transferrable to the new lemmy db schema. In the mean time, Hot is working okay for me, even if I still miss the consistency and pace of our old algos (much better time decay).
  I do enjoy some of the other changes, and I appreciate the work it took to get us here, even if not every aspect has been an upgrade. If we had more devs and more sysadmins I imagine things would be smoother, but we're doing pretty well with what we've got IMO
  
  i think there have been much better posts in this thread about the issues federation has created, i kinda just fired mine off without thinking about it too terribly much bc i was grumpy
  the old code was unmaintainable
  yeah i mean i do understand why this was all done, i am just not enjoying the outcome at all. i don't want to be mistaken, i also appreciate all the effort the people who work on this site put in. i support them doing anything that makes their workload lighter. but the site is functionally unusable in my experience - most posts hang for like 10+ minutes before posting (if they ever do), pages routinely load forever or just crash, and when shit does work it's just a bunch of fucking bigots and shitlibs everywhere! and yes, that can be adjusted somewhat, but it's still changed the site culture significantly in my experience.
  idk i don't really want to get too deep into this when it's been said better elsewhere in this thread and this post stands a good chance of getting eaten anyway. i am glad most everyone seems to be having a good time with federation though, even if it's keeping me from enjoying my time here as much.
  
  but the site is functionally unusable in my experience - most posts hang for like 10+ minutes before posting (if they ever do), pages routinely load forever or just crash
  I'd be pissed too if that was my experience. Nowadays it's almost as quick as the old site for me. What browser/device if you don't mind me asking?
  
  i generally have the issue across devices, i use android/windows with firefox
  that said it comes and goes. the past two days things have been a bit better on the posting side, although pages still refuse to load a good deal of the time
  it'll clear up eventually, as will the cultural aspect (i hope).
- glitzy capitalist showreel But you get to see your favorite whacky hexbear personalities interact with maligned liberal gorillas audience laughs
- You can get rid of all the other post by clicking the "local" button at the top

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