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Bulletins and News Discussion from July 31st to August 6th, 2023 - A West African Federation?

Image is of coup supporters in Niamey, waving the flag of Niger and Russia.


While the coup in Niger is an obvious reason for this megathread's subject, the inspiration to focus here rather than somewhere else in the world this week came from @solaranus@hexbear.net's comment here.

Anyway, as a quick introduction to Niger - the country won independence from the French in 1960 and has since been in an alternating cycle of military governments and more democratic arrangements. In 2010, a junta took over the country from the military junta already ruling it, and then successfully transitioned the country to democracy within a year. President Issoufou was elected and then re-elected in 2016. President Bazoum was democratically elected in 2021, and has just been overthrown last week. General Tchiani looks to be the new head of state.

Like many countries that were previously colonies, outright colonialism by its imperial country has been replaced by neocolonialism by that same country. France issues their currency, thus allowing France to do what the US does with its dollar around the world but in miniature. The country is incredibly poor, surviving on subsidence agriculture, with much of its exports being minerals like gold and uranium, which many children under the age of 14 are employed in extracting. Also like other previously French colonies, the new guys in charge appear to be flipping them the bird, with Burkina Faso and Mali relatively recently asking them to fuck off. It is unlikely to be a coincidence that this is happening as internal dissent inside France itself continues to boil. Given the Russian flags being waved and Putin's promises to supply free grain to some African countries (and though Niger isn't mentioned, Burkina Faso and Mali notably are), one imagines that Russia also might have a hand in things.

Burkina Faso's president, Traore, has been talking with Mali and Guinea, and now Niger - all ruled by military governments - and asking if they're interested in federation, with Mali showing some interest. Traore follows in the tradition of Thomas Sankara, and has appointed a Prime Minister who is similarly aligned. Traore has recently met with a Chinese representative and has firmly aligned himself with Russia, saying that Burkina Faso has "one and the same outlook" on building a new world order, saying:

"Russia made great sacrifices to liberate Europe and the world from Nazism during World War II. We have the same history,"

"We are the forgotten peoples of the world. And we are here now to talk about the future of our countries, about how things will be tomorrow in the world that we are seeking to build, and in which there will be no interference in our internal affairs,"

"However, a slave who does not fight [for his freedom] is not worthy of any indulgence. The heads of African states should not behave like puppets in the hands of the imperialists. We must ensure that our countries are self-sufficient, including as regards food supplies, and can meet all of the needs of our peoples. Glory and respect to our peoples; victory to our peoples! Homeland or death!"


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This week's first update is here in the comments.

No update on Wednesday because I am still busy.

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  • https://archive.is/r0A6h

    Insider article talking about how great and amazing western artillery is except when you use it as artillery.

    • It's actually good to have more than a dozen different types of the same gun, logistics is for chumps

    • I feel like you could copy paste this for every weapon type in Ukraine's Arsenal right now. These article are also absolutely amazing everytime though.

      Headline states issue > Bullet points are mostly positive > Actual article text is basically completely negative with one postive ending paragraph.

      "The UK is unable to manufacture 155-mm gun barrels, and there are few manufacturers in Europe with the capability to do so."

      Like this is just incredible, it's continually astounding how many NATO countries have no capability to actually manufacture basic things you'd need in a conflict.

      • "The UK is unable to manufacture 155-mm gun barrels, and there are few manufacturers in Europe with the capability to do so."

        WHY THE FUCK DO WE USE THEM THEN?!?!?

        it's good for the world that nato is a clown show
        but jesus christ

        • It is really insane how outsourced and atrophied the arms industry is in the west. I'd imagine some of the manufacturering constraints wouldn't be that bad, and everytime even what you'd think should be ready to be mass produced isn't.

      • What’s really surprising to me is that you can’t just like drop €100million on some machine tooling and start pumping the barrels out.

        Maybe I’m over-simplifying but surely it’s just a well-machined tube of a specific diameter? Is there really that much more to it?

        Stalin was able to make it happen while suffering crushing defeats, moving his industrial base one thousand kilometers back by rail, and then using that same underdeveloped rail to supply and transport said tubes so it’s downright bizarre that NATO hasn’t worked this out in a year.

        Like I’m just a guy but if you gave me €100 million and asked for some well-machined tubes I could probably make it happen in a year you know what I’m saying?

        Like, are these tubes made out of titanium and oppsie only Russia makes that? Is it that kind of thing? Or is machine tooling really just the sole domain of China now?

        • Another quote that cracked me up

          Even seemingly similar howitzers can have minor but significant differences that affect their accuracy against targets 10 or 20 miles away. For example, some NATO-standard 155 mm guns made by different nations are more compatible with some shells than with others.

          So I'd guess you'd need plants for each countries specific artillery pieces, really does speak to how even though NATO is supposed to have equipment agree on caliber sizes and stuff to cut down on logistics and apparently that didn't actually happen.

          I'd still think each country could slap some money down and crank out barrels pretty easily. However, because of the brain worms I think they'd want to put a contract out, a company wins the bid, subcontracts every part of it, etc. Which is probably how all the NATO armies are in this predicament.

      • 155mm barrels are WWII tech lmao

    • that bit about the help line was amusing. US grunts answering the phone so they can help a guy in combat fix his artillery

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