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What instances would you want to federate with?
What instances would you want to federate with?
Post the links in the comments so folks can explore them and give their own input!
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Everyone that isn't fash, but we should take our time to make sure we don't completely implode. Let's join just lemmygrad for, idk, a few days with an announcement reminding people to play nice with our comrades, then branch out to smaller commie instances and then push rightward (in terms of the leaning of cites we federated with) until we have all the non-fash (non-criminal/loli/snuff/etc) instances.
It's my impression that even federating with a porn instance creates legal liability, but I think that's a different topic.
People are viewing our sites culture as fragile. That is false. It can be killed if we tremendously fuck up, but our history on cth proves that it is a vector of infection at least as much as it is a victim. The libs have more to worry about from our culture than we do theirs.
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site culture isn't a hearts of iron game where you slowly color the lemmy map red. even just federating with lemmygrad would lead to an influx of anti-anarchist sectarian swerfs to the community, which is going to be a headache both for users and for the moderators and is a permanent irreconcilable point for large sections of both sites
unlike reddit, everybody is specifically going out of their way to go to lemmy. there is no spectre, there is no constant influx of chuds that don't know about hogposting
if your goal was to agitate over the internet and send people towards hexbear you would be making accounts on reddit and other social media, not imagining converting sites the size of less popular CS:GO servers
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I flatly reject your characterization of lemmygrad (the swerf claim is bullshit) but anyway you are more significantly incorrect in imagining people as so static in their beliefs and alignment. People who are interested in radical politics are people who are alienated from the status quo and overwhelmingly clinging to the psychological bouies of whatever interpretive lens they have been able to determine -- from the vantage point of mostly-narrow experience with other lenses and what their current one is -- suits them the best. If they encounter something on a regular basis that can plausibly serve them better even despite the biases of their current view, they will generally accept it over time.
I think there is an actual ability to do more than just preserve our virginal purity of comfort and illusory social harmony from being "diluted" by these people who you only rhwtorically conceptualize like a toxin or chaff.
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so do you think that lemmygrad would eventually change their rules on sectarianism, or will it need to be heavily moderated on hexbear's end for the entirety of federation?
this entire search page is but a single week of lemmygrad posting about anarchists
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The page I'm getting from that link includes posts from literally multiple years ago.
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my bad, I forgot the search doesn't default to new, i'll change it
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page 1 still goes back to a year ago -- which incidentally is user "TheConquestOfBread" reposting from Hexbear, and there multiple posts from that blatant Anarcho-Bidenist ziq or one of their cult members (I shudder to think what someone who follows them is like). A lot of the rest of it is reasonable conversation about what the ML/anarchist split is and also why those liberals on other instances even bother to call themselves "anarchists" to begin with.
Like, yeah, some of them will need to temper their speech to participate here, but it's not a well of seething hatred like the "anti-tankie" instances are for their respective target. I am confident that the vast majority of them can hang and the outliers can stay where they are or get bonked.
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if you sort by comments alone it takes 12 pages to reach a year ago
this is an example of a highly upvoted comment on lemmygrad, 25 upvotes from 4 days ago: "Yeah, Anarchists don’t seem to actually want to succeed in anything. They just want to perpetually feel superior about their morals as well as comfortable that nothing will ever change. They want to be cool, contrarian good guys, imagining a world that will only ever exist in books and stories."
is it possible you think a lot of this is reasonable conversation because you were already reprimanded for sectarianism twice on this site?
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Get over yourself, the one comment that I can read was me correctly saying Trots don't deserve respect as a "sect" because they don't. Whichever mod removed that made an error, whether in understanding site policy or the paradox of tolerance, it is not for me to speculate.
If you want to keep up the hall monitor routine, report this comment and we can see what the reason given is, or we can try returning to talking like human beings instead of you making precious little insinuations about how I am a Bad Leftist who is best ignored.
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i wasn't saying you should be ignored, or that you were a Bad Leftist, and i apologize if it came off that way
i was just asking you to reflect on any bias that might lead you to dismiss sectarianism like this
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To answer your question, I don't believe the comment is accurate, but I do believe that the overwhelming majority of self-identified anarchists on the fediverse, which is where that conversation is taking place and functionally does not include Hexbear -- yet -- are accurately described by that comment, because the overwhelming majority that I have seen on lemmy.ml, on lemmy.world, on blahaj zone, and sopuli, b**haw, etc. are very obviously Anarcho-Bidenists who I saw multiple times arguing in parallel with neoliberal anticommunists in a united front against "tankies". Obviously there was the occassional "I didn't think they would eat my face" moment, but I never saw that produce an epiphany that maybe they had made poor allies, and I made a point of asking this rather gently a few times when it happened!
So that user needs to log off for a bit, but the comment could have been given literally one single qualifier and it would have been fine.
Edit: On Hexbear, the standard line from anarchists who express their opinion on such matters is, in so many words, "I support AES in its struggle against western imperialism as something material less malignant in virtually every respect." That is something that the anarcho-bidenists I was reading the replies of could never manage, so there will definitely be culture shock but I think the hostility reflected in that comment will be tempered because it is not meant to be directed at actually good leftists, which some overly-online MLs might believe are well-represented by the fucks on lemmy, etc. right now.
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