2010-04-12

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Cyanide and Happiness @lemm.ee

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2010-04-12

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I don't mean to be that guy but, whales are delicious. And you get approx 3500kg of meat (low estimate) from a minke whale, whereas you'll get about 75kg from a commercially farmed pig. Meaning you have to kill 46 pigs to get the same amount of meat as 1 whale.
Both pigs and whales are intelligent and emotionally developed animals. Whales live free and normal lives up until the point of their harpooning, whereas pigs are kept in filthy overcrowded conditions and kept alive with antibiotics because they wouldn't last long without them. They are of course eventually killed, but unlike cattle they don't get a quick death from a bolt gun to the head. No pigs are asphyxiated with carbon dioxide. They spend the last moments of their tortured existence choking to death.
That doesn't take into account the massive environmental impact of large pig farms. Because pigs eat more nitrogen rich food than other farm animals, their feces leads to over nitrification of anything downstream and eutrophication of waterways.
So if you are sitting there chomping a bacon sandwich and bitching and moaning about whaling, take a long hard look in the mirror, because the pig farming you support is immeasurably worse both ethically and environmentally.
- I get the point you're trying to make but if people ate whale the same way we ate pig the entire ocean ecosystem would have collapsed by now.
  Not to mention almost all whale species are on their way to being endangered right now, while factory farmed pigs aren't.
  Maybe just go with the line all meat is murder rather bacon is worse then whale flesh lmao.
  
  We did almost hunt whales to extinction, but it wasn’t meat we were hunting for, it was their oily fat.
  
  Exactly, most people don't actually like it that much.
  
  I don't have a problem with people eating meat. I eat meat. I just don't like the way it's farmed what I'd propose is a largely vegetarian diet punctuated by fish or wild meat every so often. Like fish twice a week and venison on Sunday or something. As for whale, it's not really commonly eaten in many places and as long as people don't take too many, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
  
  ~~Harm free~~ cultured meat isn't murder and it's meat
  
  I don't think harm free cultured meat exists yet.
  
  Does this count as not existing?
  
  And where does it say this is harm-free? This requires a biopsy on the animal, which is inherently not harm-free.
  
  I was obviously replying to the meat is murder part by bringing up that cultured meat can be produced without murder now. It's not commercially viable yet but it exists so not all meat is murder. I forgot how nitpicky vegans can be and why I never engage with those communities.
  
  I am not vegan. Love how you're moving goalposts, suddenly harm apparently means murder. I forgot that the some of the worst redditors moved to lemmy too.
- It's amazing that you can type out that novel and not once realize that whales are going towards extinction.
  
  Probably because they were busy hunting the other ones...
  Mink whales are not the only whales. But good on you for finding one that isn't yet critically endangered
- I don't have a problem with fishing, but shouldn't catches be monitored and tracked to ensure we don't catch things that are endangered? This can mean switching the things we catch from time to time as fishing stocks change.
  Also regulations being more harsh on recreational fishers than commercial ones is kinda bullshit. Why are massive trawlers held to a lower standard than a guy with a rod in his hand trying to catch his own dinner? That one varies heavily by location though. Where I live is generally pretty good, if I go 50 miles east its extremely restrictive.
  Quick edit: Saw your other post that minke whale isn't endangered. Good to know. Yeah as long as they are following that I don't really care.
- I don't eat pork, really.
  But it's not because I considered pigs that smart, it's just a cruel practice, industrial farming. I'm fine with them being farmed if there's proper regulation.
  I do eat deer, horse and reindeer among other things as well. Less so beef, or try to at least.
  So I guess if you're talking about the whaling of the common minke whale which isn't a threatened species at the moment, and I'd look into the regulation and practices, I guess I'd be fine with eating some.
  Although I would still attribute vastly higher intelligence to whales than deer and pigs. I mean, it's hard to measure, but pigs eat their own babies which they kill by accident. That's why they have like a dozen. And prey animals like deer are usually kinda frantic and not seemingly that smart.
  Whereas whales, we don't even know how intelligent they are, but some species are definitely super intelligent and the communication they use is complex af.
  Still, can't say you're wrong in your points, as I often make the same points for deer, but they breed kinda lot and they honestly have to be kept in check so they don't ruin environments whereas I'm pretty sure whales aren't considered pests anywhere? I mean, I'm not at all sure, but I am guessing. There's those ship destroying ones, but that seems targeted against humans and not them generally destroying their environment.

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