‘They roll right over’: Many Democrats call their party weak and ineffective, AP-NORC poll finds
A poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds that many Democrats see their political party as “weak” or “ineffective.”
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"Americans voted to give total control of all branches of the government to Republicans."
-its the Democrats fault.
And when the democrats have power they have to be nice to the republicans no matter what.
Can’t do anything because republicans might yell at them. If that fails, the senate parliamentarian won’t let them. Otherwise, simply have other priorities (cashing donor checks).
When a populace is so disillusioned with one party that they choose to hand total control over to the other party, would you not conclude that the first party failed to appeal to the populace? Is it not the responsibility of the party to convince the populace to vote for them?
Many people on the left seem to think the Democrats are entitled to votes because of how terrible Republican politics are. This has even been the foundation of the Democrats' campaign against Trump over the last decade, "vote for Dems because Trump is bad". A strategy with a success rate of 1-in-3, which would have been 0-in-3 if there hadn't been a once-in-a-century global pandemic to help bring gravity to the Dems' messaging at the perfect time, and even then they barely eeked out a win.
But the choice wasn't between left and far left. It was between centrist and far right. People voted for far right.
The majority want right wing policies. It's horrible but that is reality.
People who said, "I was going to vote for Harris but she wasn't left enough." were never genuine. Because it wasn't Harris vs Sanders. It was Harris vs Trump.
"Many people on the left seem to think the Democrats are entitled to votes because of how terrible Republican politics are. "
When the alternative was Trump they are entitled to your vote! It seems like you wanted Trump to "punish" Democrats for not being left enough. But that didn't work because the majority wanted Trump.
Harris could have promised to kiss Bezos's feet and anyone remotely antifa should have still voted for her.
The majority want right wing policies. It's horrible but that is reality.
I'm not sure that's true at all. Many people want leftist policy, but that wasn't on the ballot. When it is on the ballot, it seems to get plenty of votes.
People who said, "I was going to vote for Harris but she wasn't left enough." were never genuine. Because it wasn't Harris vs Sanders. It was Harris vs Trump.
I don't see how that follows. If we had a leftist on the ballot, then leftists would have voted for them. But we had two right candidates. Why would leftists vote for a right-wing candidate? Especially a right-wing candidate that dismissed their concerns, and told them to sit down and shut up. It seems pretty obvious to me why the Dems lost votes between Biden and Harris.
When the alternative was Trump they are entitled to your vote!
No, they aren't. They have to earn them, like every other politician. Voting blue no matter who is why Trump was able to gain control in the first place. No politicians were speaking to the needs of the people, until Trump did. Trump is obviously a bullshitter, but at least he pretends to fight for the voters, which is more than we can say about the Democrats.
It seems like you wanted Trump to "punish" Democrats for not being left enough.
Or, it could be, that they didn't want to vote for a horrible person that wanted to keep the war-machine going and screwing over the working class.
Many people want leftist policy
Many isn't most. Of course I'm also factoring the electoral system which isn't a pure nationwide majority. The majority of states voted for right wing policies. The entire midwest wouldn't have all voted for Trump.
Voting blue no matter who is why Trump was able to gain control in the first place.
If that were true then Trump could not have won. Right wing states wanted Trump.
Or, it could be, that they didn’t want to vote for a horrible person that wanted to keep the war-machine going and screwing over the working class.
But Trump promised to continue the Palestinian genocide, increase the military, and cut taxes for the rich. She promised to stop the Palestinian genocide and give them self determination. Trump tweeted a picture of him on with Gaza turned into an Israeli beach resort.
But we had two right candidates.
If you can't see a difference between Harris and Trump then you are in effect a Trump supporter. To say that means you believe that Harris would have been exactly the same president as Trump.
The majority of states voted for right wing policies.
A lot of the states that voted for Trump also voted for left-wing policies, like raising the minimum wage. But they didn't have any lefty politicians to vote for.
If that were true then Trump could not have won. Right wing states wanted Trump.
Yes it is. Voting blue no matter who has allowed the Democrats to become fat and lazy. Thus, they aren't fighting for anything, and people don't believe in them.
But Trump promised to continue the Palestinian genocide, increase the military, and cut taxes for the rich. She promised to stop the Palestinian genocide and give them self determination. Trump tweeted a picture of him on with Gaza turned into an Israeli beach resort.
Of course he did. I never said otherwise. But she did not promise to stop the genocide. In fact, she said that she would continue to support Israel, just like her predecessor.
If you can't see a difference between Harris and Trump then you are in effect a Trump supporter. To say that means you believe that Harris would have been exactly the same president as Trump.
Who said that there was no difference between Harris and Trump? I certainly didn't. I also never said that they would have been exactly the same. It's always amazing to me how Liberals will tell me what I believe, and yell at me for saying things that I never said.
Voting blue no matter who has allowed the Democrats to become fat and lazy.
It doesn't matter because the alternative was Trump. It wasn't a normal election like Obama vs Romney.
But she did not promise to stop the genocide. In fact, she said that she would continue to support Israel, just like her predecessor.
Supporting Israel and stopping Israel genocide aren't opposing positions. One candidate promising to stop genocide but not cut military aid is not the same as Trump promising to exterminate all Palestinians.
Who said that there was no difference between Harris and Trump? I certainly didn't.
You said this: "But we had two right candidates. Why would leftists vote for a right-wing candidate?"
You can't have it both ways. Either there's a difference or there isn't.
It doesn't matter because the alternative was Trump.
It does matter. Because they "opposition" to Trump is opposition in name only. They spent the past few decades building up the systems that Trump is using.
Supporting Israel and stopping Israel genocide aren't opposing positions. One candidate promising to stop genocide but not cut military aid is not the same as Trump promising to exterminate all Palestinians.
But she never said that she was going to stop genocide. She wouldn't even say the word Genocide, in relation to Palestinians. She gave every indication that she would continue arming the genocidal state, so why shouldn't we think that she was going to continue her predecessor's support for genocide? It's a pretty easy message to send out: "I do not support genocide, nor the bombing of children. I will absolutely cut off funding for that." But she chose not to, which made her position very clear.
You can't have it both ways. Either there's a difference or there isn't.
Two right-wing candidates != Both candidates are the same. I can have it both ways, since they are both right-wing, but also they have differences.
. Because they “opposition” to Trump is opposition in name only.
LGBT rights. Minority rights. The environment. Banning DEI not only in the government but threatening private corporations to comply. Militarized ICE. Ending due process for alleged illegal immigrants.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-05-16/joe-bidens-governing-as-a-progressive-thats-a-surprise-only-if-you-werent-paying-attention https://thedemocraticstrategist.org/2025/01/teixeira-how-bidens-left-turn-doomed-dem-hopes/ https://permanentcampaign.substack.com/p/a-former-biden-advisors-analysis
I can have it both ways, since they are both right-wing, but also they have differences.
The differences separate right wing policies from left wing policies. You cannot have it both ways. Just because Harris didn't want to abolish private property and execute the American Oligarchy doesn't mean she wasn't far farther left than Trump.
It is a lie to claim that Harris would have implemented the same right wing policies as Trump.
LGBT rights. Minority rights.
The Dems did a bit a years ago, but are already backing down on that.
The environment.
You mean the same Democrats that bragged about how much oil they were drilling, while imprisoning climate activists?
Banning DEI not only in the government but threatening private corporations to comply. Militarized ICE.
Oh, like how Democrats fight to get more "people of color" into jobs like ICE, or policing, or C-Suites, instead of addressing the actual underlying societal issues? The same Dems that said they would enact severe border-controls, and spent tons of money on a shitty border-wall, all while increasing funding to ICE?
Ending due process for alleged illegal immigrants.
Oh, you mean the thing that Democrats had been doing since Obama?
The differences separate right wing policies from left wing policies.
Correct. And the Dems pushing for a lot of those policies, while moving further to the right is why I call them a right-wing party.
Just because Harris didn't want to abolish private property and execute the American Oligarchy doesn't mean she wasn't far farther left than Trump.
Correct. Which is why I never said as much. Your time would be much better spent on things I did say, rather than made up arguments that I never claimed.
It is a lie to claim that Harris would have implemented the same right wing policies as Trump.
Well, except for the policies that she explicitly said she was going to follow Trump on. There would have been differences, sure, but she was pretty clear that she was going to push for more right-wing policies.
The Dems did a bit a years ago, but are already backing down on that.
Already backing down? Republicans control the entire government. This isn't the EU where minority parties continue to have power.
You mean the same Democrats that bragged about how much oil they were drilling
Your mask is slipping. You are Repeating Right wing talking points.
Actual data: https://www.energyindepth.org/why-bidens-oil-drilling-permits-surge-is-not-what-it-seems/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Joe_Biden_administration
while moving further to the right is why I call them a right-wing party.
Gays used to not be able to marry. DEI used to not exist. Enviromental cleanup wasn't an issue. Democrats have not been moving farther right.
The majority aren't paying enough attention to distinguish left from right policies. They couldn't define fascism, let alone recognize the Right's propensity towards it. They voted for change, for a relief from the status quo that is cannibalizing the middle class. Trump promised them the moon while the Democrats told us the status quo is working, "We have the best economy in the world", and the Harris administration is effectively going to be a continuation of Biden's agenda.
You can blame the majority for being so woefully uneducated or you can accept that they are and recognize that the Dems need to offer something other than good intentions in the form of gutted legislation that pleases their donors and goes widely unnoticed by the general public.
That applied in 2016 but not 2020. They didn't vote for change because Trump had already been President. They wanted more Trump.
Harris could have promised to kiss Bezos’s feet and anyone remotely antifa should have still voted for her.
You're beyond saving. You are why Kamala lost the election. Please emigrate to Russia so you can vote for the lesser of two evils there and not pollute our electorate further.
Being anti Trump is pro Russian? Wtf?
No it's their fault for not holding trump accountable for insurrection. They were too scared of looking political so they just let him get away with crimes. Now he is back. He should have been in prison or under a cross in some dirt like 5 years ago.
That's a fair criticism. But the article doesn't mention anything about their past failure. It's about what Democrats are doing now. The quotes imply Americans do not understand their own government. "The current Democrat response is scattershot" Americans gave every branch of the government to Republicans. Democrats can't save them now. Americans did it to themselves.